Interesting thread. I'm one of those that doesn't seem to have much of a problem sleeping on HOT-ROX - I guess the caffeine doesn't hit me as hard as some - many years of drinking the real stuff and mighty strong!
Anyway my curiosity regarding this is more to do with cAMP and insulin. As a lipolytic agent, HOT-ROX is likely to be counteracted by the lipogenic (sp?) actions of insulin, or am I getting this wrong here?
If that is the case, would not it be almost almost ideal to be taking it (or A7-E) at night when food consumption, and insulin response from food is at a minimum? (I am aware that insulin is still released overnight as a counter-regulatory hormonal response to GH and cortisol).
In that respect if one were to use Carbolin 19 also, as my understanding of its primary effect is anabolic, this would be partially mediated by insulin, thus is obviously preferential during the day? An indeed in the mornings when carb intake (thus insulin secrection) would be higher?
In that respect vroom's original idea would -seem- to make most sense here.
Just some conjecture - I might be talking bull of course. If you're reading this Cy, care to comment?