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Hormones vs Calories for Recomposition


#1

Which plays a bigger role in determining body comp. and why?

For example, if I was in a caloric surplus but maximized my fat burning hormones, would I have a net gain of fat?


#2

Calories will have a bigger influence on bodyfat levels.

But Hormone profile will set limits of lean body mass levels.


#3

Both are critical.


#4

[quote]Ryancoburn wrote:
Calories will have a bigger influence on bodyfat levels.

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false, unless taken to an extreme


#5

can you explain the question better please


#6

I don’t think there’s areally any purpose in trying to figure out which one plays a bigger role, simply because either one has the potential to derail your progress.

Your curiosity is understood, because it is kinda neat to try and make sense of how all this physiology mumbo jumbo fits together, but still, the whole game of physique building (gaining muscle/losing fat) involves many variables needing to be in certain ranges in order to contribute to a positive effect. Understand how each one contributes, but always focus on the big picture.

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#7

The calories are going to determine hether you gainor lose weight, but certain hormones could increase the rate of lean mass gains.


#8

[quote]janson8000 wrote:
The calories are going to determine hether you gainor lose weight, but certain hormones could increase the rate of lean mass gains.[/quote]

Hormones control weight loss and gain too.


#9

[quote]janson8000 wrote:
The calories are going to determine hether you gainor lose weight, but certain hormones could increase the rate of lean mass gains.[/quote]

nope.


#10

Both play a factor, and are interrelated. The makeup of the calories affect hormone levels.


#11

if you eat more calories then you expend=weight gain

if you eat less then you expend=weight loss


#12

[quote]janson8000 wrote:
if you eat more calories then you expend=weight gain

if you eat less then you expend=weight loss[/quote]

We’ve got a regular Bill Nye in the house, ladies and gentlemen.


#13

[quote]janson8000 wrote:
if you eat more calories then you expend=weight gain

if you eat less then you expend=weight loss[/quote]

But hormones, not just activity, control what you expend and what and how you eat effects your hormones. If you cut the calories of a hibernating type of squirrel, even by as much as half, going into winter they will still gain just as much weight and fat as squirrels eating 2 to 3 times as much. With certain hormone amounts, obese rats can starve to death while remaining obese.

That “expend” term in your equation has dozens of variables that effect and control it. And it is at least as important as calories eaten. And really and truly, on a long term scale, the hormones are more important because they control your appetite mechanisms that will eventually override even the best self control.


#14

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If you cut the calories of a hibernating type of squirrel, even by as much as half, going into winter they will still gain just as much weight and fat as squirrels eating 2 to 3 times as much. With certain hormone amounts, obese rats can starve to death while remaining obese.[/quote]

Source please.


#15

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If you cut the calories of a hibernating type of squirrel, even by as much as half, going into winter they will still gain just as much weight and fat as squirrels eating 2 to 3 times as much. With certain hormone amounts, obese rats can starve to death while remaining obese.

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mind. blown.


#16

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]janson8000 wrote:
if you eat more calories then you expend=weight gain

if you eat less then you expend=weight loss[/quote]

But hormones, not just activity, control what you expend and what and how you eat effects your hormones. If you cut the calories of a hibernating type of squirrel, even by as much as half, going into winter they will still gain just as much weight and fat as squirrels eating 2 to 3 times as much. With certain hormone amounts, obese rats can starve to death while remaining obese.

That “expend” term in your equation has dozens of variables that effect and control it. And it is at least as important as calories eaten. And really and truly, on a long term scale, the hormones are more important because they control your appetite mechanisms that will eventually override even the best self control.[/quote]
Thankyou. Most people fail to recognize this.


#17

The quality of food and hormones (especially insulin levels)play a bigger role.

-Someone on a 200 calorie surplus whose diet is say 90% green vegetables and turkey is going to have a totally different body composition than if their diet was 90% krispy kremes and macdonalds.