[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
zeb, arousal is an odd thing. It is also not the same as desire or love. Women can get aroused during rapes, doesn’t mean they want to be raped.
This could take the cake for the most idiotic thing that I have read on this board… Where did you hear that women can get aroused during rape? Most women who get raped are dry down there to begin with and from what I hear the whole ordeal is painful, humiliating and usually leaves them with emotional and psychological scars.
You might not want to jump so fast to calling someone else idiotic. While you are not wrong in how you described rape and its effects, sexual arousal during rape is quite well documented (in female and male vicims). It is also well documented that many women have violent rape fantasies.
An interesting and pertinent paragraph is quoted below, and paints a very sad picture of society where anti-homosexual people and feelings still permeate.
"Some gay survivors remark that it was only during sexual abuse that they became aware of the possibility of same-sex sexual activity, and while they know that what they experienced was abuse, they learned something about their sexuality, and may have liked some of the stimulation. It is very concerning that some gay youth only learn about same-sex sex in the context of abuse! "
The full article touches on several issues and is quite informative anecdotally.
A brief discussion on rape fantasies; http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_45/ai_n24383385/pg_12/
Here is a paper that differentiates rape and sexual arousal;
[i]"Abstract
The review examines whether unsolicited or non-consensual sexual stimulation of either females or males can lead to unwanted sexual arousal or even to orgasm. The conclusion is that such scenarios can occur and that the induction of arousal and orgasm does not indicate that the subjects consented to the stimulation. A perpetrator�?�¢??s defence simply built upon the fact that evidence of genital arousal or orgasm proves consent has no intrinsic validity and should be disregarded."[/i]
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1353113103001536
This article describes a fascinating study on mind vs genitals in women.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2009/01/26/rape-fantasies-and-female-arousal.aspx
Women were asked to record their arousal to various kinds of imagery, and their actual arousal was also measured; the two did not always coincide, for example greater arousal was measured (than reported) when straight women were shown lesbian pornography. Arousal was also measured (but not reported) when viewing bonobos mating.
The results provide some evidence for a hypothesis of arousal (lubrication) in women as an evolutionary defense mechanism; in pre-civilised times the natural urges of males would have been far more unchecked and rape therefore far more common. Women who were able to lubricate in response to such threats would reproduce and suffer less physical damange, women who were unable were less likely.
In conclusion, Cockney Blue was exactly write when he said; “zeb, arousal is an odd thing. It is also not the same as desire or love. Women can get aroused during rapes, doesn’t mean they want to be raped.”
So because some cunt psychologist wrote in in a blog it has to be true right?
I don’t know what its like in England, but in a large city like NYC, you have no idea how many women are raped in places like alleys and abandoned buildings, usually by one or more individuals at the same time. It’s so bad there that it is more uncommon to meet a woman who HAS been raped than vice versa.
From the women I have spoken with, they are not excited in the first place which means that their vaginas are dry. I mean seriously, do you think that the rapist uses foreplay and condoms? For fucks sake, if the guy has HIV, being raped can be a death sentence. Can you imagine the kind of terror that instills in someone? If a woman is close to ovulating, then it means that she has to have an abortion. In some cases, where the victim is young, their reproductive organs are destroyed.
Usually too they either get beat or it is at gunpoint. Either way it is under the threat of violence and forced upon them. Many times these women suffer severe depression, trust issues with men, physical pain and trauma that effects them later into life and suffer things like nightmares.
I hope the two of you get get raped by two guys with 12 inch cocks and no vaseline. Maybe they will make you suck their dicks or else they will knock your teeth out with a pipe. After you get a few stitches in your asshole, tell me how you hard a hard on during the whole ordeal. May both of you twats get raped for posting this kind of drivel on this board.
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Way to totally miss the point. No one is saying anything other than that rape is a horrible thing. No-one should have to experience it gay or straight and rapists are scum. This however has nothing to do with arousal.