Homosexuality in Prison

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
zeb, arousal is an odd thing. It is also not the same as desire or love. Women can get aroused during rapes, doesn’t mean they want to be raped. I think you see things in too much black and white. You also mistake sex for love.

I fully understand the difference, but my point remains the same. The typical heterosexual male cannot become sexually aroused with another male. However, the typical “homosexual” male does in fact become aroused by a female and has sex with both OFTEN.

That makes whom to have sex with a choice by definition.

How do you know that a typical hetro cannot get sexually aroused by a guy? How many times have you been in a sexual situation with a gay man?

Oookay.

One would think that if the typical heterosexual male wanted sex with another male that it would happen more often, but darn those hetero guys they keep trying to go out with women. If it was the reverse then of course we would be calling them bisexual, or perhaps homosexual.

(Eye Roll)

I’m sorry I forgot that this is bizarro land and what appears to be up is really down and vice versa. It’s Internet messageboardville a land where you can say anything and it always makes sense at least TO YOU.

This is one reason why I’ve not posted much over the past few years comments exactly like the above.

I guess after a while you get tired of the nonsense.

Color me tired.

Maybe I’ll save up my patience for this foolishness and be back another time.

Bye all, be well.
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hahah this has been studied numerouse times. homophobic straight men respond to gay porn while nonhomophobes do not or very little

theres a bajillion other social pressures that will override even basic arousal to keep straight men from having sex with gays.

have fun with your gay porn.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.

…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…

Its like with Islam. Have you heard the term Islamophobe? If you dont say Islam is a religion of peace then you are called an Islamophobe, despite the numerous verses in the quran calling for war and killing non muslims and Islams track record. All that has to be ignored…Islam is a religion of peace.

Me: What about all the people in the quran that got beheaded for not being a muslim?

Liberal: Islam is a religion of peace!!! (screaming to the top of their lungs)

Me:What about the verse in the quran that says But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over,slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place.

Liberal: ISLAMOPHOBE!!!

Liberals do that same shit on everything they want to shove down everyones throat.
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That’s possibly as ridiculous as everything else you’ve ever said; I’m very liberal and very anti Islam (not however, anti Muslim).

You’re so obviously missing the point about not having to be of a sexual persuasion to act that way due to socio-cultural or religious pressures that it’s embarrassing.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Im making up my own word…anyone who calls me a homophobe is a homotard!

Now all you need to do is parade through the streets everyday half naked and kissing some other guys yelling how you have been discriminated against; then give a lot of money to your lawyer buddies to tie up the courts daily with baseless lawsuits; pay off a few media people; and presto you can add a word like ‘homotard’ to the dictionary and every news show will be using it as a real word. [/quote]

Thats all I have to do…well im off to the loin cloth store to buy a loin cloth!

Oh and forlife, whats the number to one of those lawyers?

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im making up my own word…anyone who calls me a homophobe is a homotard!

…4 posts in respons to one of mine, that’s quite telling clip. But it’s not about you being an alleged homophobe, it’s not about you being a closet homosexual, and it’s not about that you aren’t allowed to have an opinion; this is solely about you using criteria to judge men that are based on prejudice and not facts. I know i’m not going to change your mind, discussions on this board seldom lead to changes in opinion, but there you go…
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Since you didnt have anything to say to my common sense arguments…you, in a nutshell, just called me gay, thats all you did.

And why am I gay?

Because i disagree with you and give you common sense arguments you cant get around. So your answer is just to star name calling?

Well if you want to do that, you look like a duck!

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…for most, sex does not equal love. A gay man can have sex with a woman, but he’d be unable to romantically love her like he’d love another man. The opposite is true aswell: a man can have sex with another man without romantic feelings being involved. The fact that he had sex with a man alone does not make the man a homosexual; the fact that he can only love a woman romantically, inspite of him having had sex with a man, makes him heterosexual. Why is this an issue for some of you?

sTICKING IT UP ANOTHER MANS BUTT OR VICE VERSA = HOMO!!! NO LOVE OR HATE REQUIRED![/quote]
only if your balls touch

nothing else is gay just touching balls

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[quote]Jab1 wrote:
clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.

…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…

Its like with Islam. Have you heard the term Islamophobe? If you dont say Islam is a religion of peace then you are called an Islamophobe, despite the numerous verses in the quran calling for war and killing non muslims and Islams track record. All that has to be ignored…Islam is a religion of peace.

Me: What about all the people in the quran that got beheaded for not being a muslim?

Liberal: Islam is a religion of peace!!! (screaming to the top of their lungs)

Me:What about the verse in the quran that says But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over,slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place.

Liberal: ISLAMOPHOBE!!!

Liberals do that same shit on everything they want to shove down everyones throat.

That’s possibly as ridiculous as everything else you’ve ever said; I’m very liberal and very anti Islam (not however, anti Muslim).

You’re so obviously missing the point about not having to be of a sexual persuasion to act that way due to socio-cultural or religious pressures that it’s embarrassing. [/quote]

Me: If you have gay sex youre gay.

Liberal" HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Why am I a homophobe? All I did was state the obvious!

Liberal: You disagreed with me!

Someone wise once said “A bigot is someone winning an argument with a liberal!”

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.

…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…

Its like with Islam. Have you heard the term Islamophobe? If you dont say Islam is a religion of peace then you are called an Islamophobe, despite the numerous verses in the quran calling for war and killing non muslims and Islams track record. All that has to be ignored…Islam is a religion of peace.

Me: What about all the people in the quran that got beheaded for not being a muslim?

Liberal: Islam is a religion of peace!!! (screaming to the top of their lungs)

Me:What about the verse in the quran that says But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over,slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place.

Liberal: ISLAMOPHOBE!!!

Liberals do that same shit on everything they want to shove down everyones throat.

That’s possibly as ridiculous as everything else you’ve ever said; I’m very liberal and very anti Islam (not however, anti Muslim).

You’re so obviously missing the point about not having to be of a sexual persuasion to act that way due to socio-cultural or religious pressures that it’s embarrassing.

Me: If you have gay sex youre gay.

Liberal" HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Why am I a homophobe? All I did was state the obvious!

Liberal: You disagreed with me!

Someone wise once said “A bigot is someone winning an argument with a liberal!”[/quote]

…no clip, you are a homophobe because you are a closet homosexual! Many men with a agressive, and often violent, aversion to homosexuality are themselves homosexual. Research shows that. Your psychological “tell” on this subject is very clear and undeniable, and anything you say just proves that point further…

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

Well if you want to do that, you look like a duck!
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A duck?

Sir, this time you went too far!

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
He can choose celibacy or even masturbation.[/quote]

And who do you think he is going to fantasize about, women or men?

Come on, dude. Get a clue. Just because a gay man doesn’t have sex with other men doesn’t make him any less gay. He may avoid sex due to religious beliefs or cultural pressures, but that doesn’t change his natural attraction to men.

[quote]If you had social pressure to jump off the empire state building would you do it?
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Ever hear of Jim Jones and his cyanide-laced Flavor Aid cult? Religion can seriously mess with people’s minds. Why the hell would someone stay in the closet unless there were religious or cultural pressures to do so?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
And what about my pedophile analogy, explain that one. Its a similar circumstance. What if he had religious or social pressure?
[/quote]

Do you think all pedophiles choose to act on their attraction to children?

Obviously not.

There is a difference between your natural attraction, and your sexual expression.

Sexual orientation is not always the same as sexual behavior.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Oh and forlife, whats the number to one of those lawyers?
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I wouldn’t know, since I’m not in the extremist gay minority that people are fond of painting as the norm.

As I’ve said before, I’m no more like Perez Hilton than you are like Paris Hilton.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Me: If you have gay sex youre gay.

Liberal" HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Why am I a homophobe? All I did was state the obvious!

Liberal: You disagreed with me!

Someone wise once said “A bigot is someone winning an argument with a liberal!”[/quote]

I don’t quite understand how people get to be as stupid as you. Since when has anyone said that saying gay people have gay sex is homophobic?

Why can you not understand that people can act contrary to their nature? Have you ever heard of condoms or the pill?

Your strawman version of a “liberal” bares no relation to any that I’ve ever met.

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[quote]Jab1 wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Me: If you have gay sex youre gay.

Liberal" HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Why am I a homophobe? All I did was state the obvious!

Liberal: You disagreed with me!

Someone wise once said “A bigot is someone winning an argument with a liberal!”

I don’t quite understand how people get to be as stupid as you. Since when has anyone said that saying gay people have gay sex is homophobic?

Why can you not understand that people can act contrary to their nature? Have you ever heard of condoms or the pill?

Your strawman version of a “liberal” bares no relation to any that I’ve ever met.[/quote]

Since when…??? He just called me homophobic in his post for pointing it out!

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.

…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…

Its like with Islam. Have you heard the term Islamophobe? If you dont say Islam is a religion of peace then you are called an Islamophobe, despite the numerous verses in the quran calling for war and killing non muslims and Islams track record. All that has to be ignored…Islam is a religion of peace.

Me: What about all the people in the quran that got beheaded for not being a muslim?

Liberal: Islam is a religion of peace!!! (screaming to the top of their lungs)

Me:What about the verse in the quran that says But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over,slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place.

Liberal: ISLAMOPHOBE!!!

Liberals do that same shit on everything they want to shove down everyones throat.

That’s possibly as ridiculous as everything else you’ve ever said; I’m very liberal and very anti Islam (not however, anti Muslim).

You’re so obviously missing the point about not having to be of a sexual persuasion to act that way due to socio-cultural or religious pressures that it’s embarrassing.

Me: If you have gay sex youre gay.

Liberal" HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Why am I a homophobe? All I did was state the obvious!

Liberal: You disagreed with me!

Someone wise once said “A bigot is someone winning an argument with a liberal!”

…no clip, you are a homophobe because you are a closet homosexual! Many men with a agressive, and often violent, aversion to homosexuality are themselves homosexual. Research shows that. Your psychological “tell” on this subject is very clear and undeniable, and anything you say just proves that point further…

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I dont care what you want to call me just because I point out the obvious…I know what I am and those that know me know what I am. Thats a weak argument you have…since you cant prove me wrong, you instead start name calling.

Youre a homo and because i dont like your ways, then I must be a homo. I dont follow your logic. In fact, it confuses me more than anything.

And isnt it mighty funny how that argument is used exclusively to homosexuality and to nothing else.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
clip11 wrote:Im not deciding anything, just judging what i see. If you dont do homosexual behavior i wont call you a homosexual! Its simple as that. Actions speak louder than words as they say.

…then let me judge you based on what you’ve shown me: research has shown that homophobic men have a greater respons to homosexual stimuli than non-homophobic men. This indicates that these men are homophobic because they deny their own gay tendencies http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm You, clip, are a prime example of this, and that means you are a closet homosexual. If you wouldn’t display this kind of behaviour, i wouldn’t call you a closet gay. it’s as simple as that. You actions speak louder than your words, as they say…

Its like with Islam. Have you heard the term Islamophobe? If you dont say Islam is a religion of peace then you are called an Islamophobe, despite the numerous verses in the quran calling for war and killing non muslims and Islams track record. All that has to be ignored…Islam is a religion of peace.

Me: What about all the people in the quran that got beheaded for not being a muslim?

Liberal: Islam is a religion of peace!!! (screaming to the top of their lungs)

Me:What about the verse in the quran that says But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over,slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place.

Liberal: ISLAMOPHOBE!!!

Liberals do that same shit on everything they want to shove down everyones throat.

That’s possibly as ridiculous as everything else you’ve ever said; I’m very liberal and very anti Islam (not however, anti Muslim).

You’re so obviously missing the point about not having to be of a sexual persuasion to act that way due to socio-cultural or religious pressures that it’s embarrassing.

Me: If you have gay sex youre gay.

Liberal" HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Why am I a homophobe? All I did was state the obvious!

Liberal: You disagreed with me!

Someone wise once said “A bigot is someone winning an argument with a liberal!”

…no clip, you are a homophobe because you are a closet homosexual! Many men with a agressive, and often violent, aversion to homosexuality are themselves homosexual. Research shows that. Your psychological “tell” on this subject is very clear and undeniable, and anything you say just proves that point further…

I dont care what you want to call me just because I point out the obvious…I know what I am and those that know me know what I am. Thats a weak argument you have…since you cant prove me wrong, you instead start name calling.

Youre a homo and because i dont like your ways, then I must be a homo. I dont follow your logic. In fact, it confuses me more than anything.

And isnt it mighty funny how that argument is used exclusively to homosexuality and to nothing else.[/quote]

clip great point.

I hate mowing the lawn…that means I really like it and want to start my own lawn mowing business.

It’s called homo logic.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:…no clip, you are a homophobe because you are a closet homosexual! Many men with a agressive, and often violent, aversion to homosexuality are themselves homosexual. Research shows that. Your psychological “tell” on this subject is very clear and undeniable, and anything you say just proves that point further…

I dont care what you want to call me just because I point out the obvious…I know what I am and those that know me know what I am. Thats a weak argument you have…since you cant prove me wrong, you instead start name calling.

Youre a homo and because i dont like your ways, then I must be a homo. I dont follow your logic. In fact, it confuses me more than anything.

And isnt it mighty funny how that argument is used exclusively to homosexuality and to nothing else.[/quote]

I dont care what you want to call me just because I point out the obvious. I know what I am and those that know me know what I am. It’s a strong argument that i have, since you haven’t proven me wrong, except for voicing your opinion.

I never said i’m a homo, so i will say that now: i am not a homosexual man. You keep insisting that your opinion on other people’s sexuality, despite the fact that you also keep insisting your don’t share that brand of sexuality, is absolute truth. When i do the same thing to you and your sexuality, you deny it’s true. So either we’re both right or we’re both wrong, because we use the same methodology of establishing truth about other people’s sexuality. So which is it, and why?

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I’ve never claimed that all homophobes are repressed gay men, that would be silly. The research suggests that highly homophobic men have a greater than average chance of being gay themselves, but of course that doesn’t mean all of them are in the closet. There are many reasons people choose to hate on gays, and self-hatred is only one of them.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
I didnt want to highjack the Prop 8 thread so I made a new one.

 In the Prop 8 thread the subject of homosexuality (sexual orientation, really) being a choice came up. There were some opinions throw out there back and forth but I thought of somthing, what about people who go to prison and are straight, have sex with the same sex while they are there, and then go back to having sex with the opposite sex when they get out? This realy boggles me because I've been deployed to Iraq twice, once for a year, and then for 15 months. I never looked at any of the other guys and thought about having sex with them. Could it be that the prison enviroment actually brings out the true sexual nature of people?[/quote]

I don’t know if any of you guys have ever seen a BBC documentary called ‘Ross Kemp on Gangs’ but in one episode in South Africa’s Pollsmore prison he meets a guy called ‘General John Mongrel’ leader of the 28’s gang. Ross said that John Mongrel was the scariest man he has ever met. General John Mongrel has been in prison for murder for 27 years, since he was 14.

“The memory of his breath will stay with me for a long time - it smelled like road kill left out in the sun. Since he’d been inside, he’d cut out a warder’s eye and he rapes a different inmate every three weeks.”

John Mongrel explains that he routinely ‘chooses’ a new man to have sex with but the real kicker is the man in question has to ‘submit’ and have sex while facing John Mongrel and if he resists he will be killed! Mongrel says he must look them in the eye and in that way he gets their power! It’s a shame you can’t download the interview because it makes for some shocking viewing and gives you some insight into why sick fucks like this do what they do. He say’s he is not gay and explained quite calmly that it is all about power, fear and control!