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Homebrew Without Heat?


#1

I don't have access to a private stove, that I can use to sterilize oil for home brewing. Can I skip the heating step if I filter the oil with a whatman filter? Thank you.


#2

You obviously have no knowledge of bacteria and microorganisms. You heat the oil to kill the bacteria. You cant filter bacteria.


#3

Jesus christ.

You have made 3 different threads with each one worse than the former.

1) Repeated daily injections in 1-2 spots will cause scar tissue and also increases the chance of an abscess massively.

2) Benzyl Alcolol and Benzyl Benzoate are of course in amped injectables(!), and BA is not just there for sterility. Sealed sterile vials are sterile.

3)The heating step isn't primarily for 'sterilization' - as is clear by the temps used. It is to bring the powder to it's melting point in the oil.

Please stop thinking that your 'version' of common sense is actually the best way to do things and all you read is actually editable.

Things are done for specific reasons - not 'just because'.

For example, injections are in very specific places, not just anywhere in the thigh. Also i have no clue why anyone would need to shoot in their calf other than when using a SEO.


#4

Wink, you are just not going to stop posting when you don't know what you are talking about, will you? Or at least no one's efforts in pointing out this repeated problem of yours to you has gotten anywhere thus far.

It would just be considerate of others to first stop and determine whether you know what you are talking about on the point in question or not before deciding to give people replies. Thanx

To the original poster:

If material is satisfactory in the first place, as for example Finaplix pellets are, and is handled with proper care, and one filters with a .22 micron filter, using heat is not necessary. I never do, except to aid dissolution and often don't do that.

Also, though not necessary in the above situation, if one dissolves a powder into benzyl alcohol first and allows to sit for some time, such as an hour, in this situation BA is bactericidal. (In lower concentrations such as in formulations suitable for injection, it is only bacteriostatic.) I don't know whether it would kill spores, but an acceptable amount of heat will not. I wouldn't be surprised if a longer period of time soaking in BA would kill spores, but don't know it for a fact.


#5

Who said anything about finaplix. If OP had to filter particulate matter from an oil by all means use a filter. He asked if he can skip the heating step, to which I replied No. And Brook maybe you have me confused with another poster. I can't recall posting on injections and certainly not calves.


#6

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#7

Bacteria will pass thru a 22micron filter dead or otherwise. Now if you have dead skin cells I would say oil is contaminated. As for skipping the heating step I would not recommend it.


#8

There's something worse than not knowing, as that is easily enough remedied. That thing is knowing things that are not so and on top of this, not listening when advised by those who do know.

Wink, welcome to my Ignore list. I just can't stand it anymore.


#9

You have no idea what you are talking about. None. How many people are going to have to say this to you before you finally get it?

Put the shovel down.


#10

Well welcome to my ignore list as well. And don't expect anyone to catch you when you fall from your high horse. Fair enough ??


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#12

I warm the preparation, but do not heat it. I do not use a whole-body condom, as I am allergic. At least that's what I tell the ladies. :wink:


#13

Well then if they are 2-5 Microns then they would pass through a 22 micron filter.


#14

The problem is that you did not know this until BBB said it. Even when you were being challenged by the longest-time, most respected vets on this site, you did not look it up for yourself, and waited for someone here to do the work for you, then claimed victory. On top of that, your premise is still wrong, yet you are using BBB's words to somehow justify it.

The 0.2-0.5um (see, even here you are getting it wrong, as the .22um actually DOES filter out 2-5um bacteria...I mean, just look at the number, FFS) bacteria or particulate matter that would possibly get through such a small filter are negligible in terms of a contamination danger.

Brewing 101 will tell you that, although not limited to these, the reason for heat is to get your product into solution, the reason for filtration is to get all of the bad stuff that will give you an infection out of your product. Why do you suppose we always filter after we heat?

One sign of poor character is the inability to admit defeat or mistake. You are displaying that in spades. It's time to back down.


#15

OP, you can use a microwave (for a VERY short period of time) on the lowest setting.

Just make sure and watch your oil. I had some tren crash on me one time and I put it into the microwave and then left to do something else. My kitchen was very shortly filled with the most foul, noxious, poisonous fumes you can imagine. I couldn't get the smell to fully leave for days.

That said, the gear did go back into solution and worked magnificently afterwards.

There was a discussion here sometime back (think it was here) about whether or not the particular heating mechanism of a microwave was damaging to the hormone itself. I have only done this the one time, and would only do so in an emergency, but the gear I microwaved worked great.


#16

Can you even describe what a micron is numerically without looking it up? You obviously have no clue. You are absolutely correct, a 22 micron filter would pass a 2-5 micron body. We are not talking about 22 micron filters, however.

Whatman and the like, filter down to 0.22 microns. 2-5 microns are much larger than 0.22 microns. Do you remember in grade school how they used to teach you about the alligator symbols to show greater than, less than, and how the alligator would eat the bigger number? Here is a demonstration: 2 microns > 0.22 microns and 5 microns > 0.22 microns.


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#18

Actually 100 (minor point)


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#20

.22 x 10 = 2.2
.22 x 100 = 22