My experience has been that prop crashes faster than other esters. I keep mine at 100mg/ml unless I am using EO. EO will probably let you get to 200 - I have just never had any luck over 100.
Another thing to consider is that Prop can be very painful - like bee sting. The hiher the concentration, the more likely you will have a painful injection.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
My experience has been that prop crashes faster than other esters. I keep mine at 100mg/ml unless I am using EO. EO will probably let you get to 200 - I have just never had any luck over 100.
Another thing to consider is that Prop can be very painful - like bee sting. The hiher the concentration, the more likely you will have a painful injection. [/quote]
What ratio do you use the EO? 1:1 - as in 50% oil, 50% EO?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
My experience has been that prop crashes faster than other esters. I keep mine at 100mg/ml unless I am using EO. EO will probably let you get to 200 - I have just never had any luck over 100.
Another thing to consider is that Prop can be very painful - like bee sting. The hiher the concentration, the more likely you will have a painful injection. [/quote]
Thanks for input. I think for now I will just stick to 100mg/ml, maybe I will start using EO in the future.
I would not go 200mg/ml with prop. First of all It will crystalize next day in that concentration unless you try to put insane amount BA in it. I can not imagine the amount of pain one would get from this as well. I always suspected that even 100 mg/ml is way too much for prop (too painfull).
On a slightly different topic, I used guaiacol once to make test e at 500mg/ml. It actually dissolved with no BA/BB, though I added them anyway. 1/2cc of that was the single most painful injection I have ever given myself.
[quote]5.0 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
My experience has been that prop crashes faster than other esters. I keep mine at 100mg/ml unless I am using EO. EO will probably let you get to 200 - I have just never had any luck over 100.
Another thing to consider is that Prop can be very painful - like bee sting. The hiher the concentration, the more likely you will have a painful injection.
What ratio do you use the EO? 1:1 - as in 50% oil, 50% EO?[/quote]
Yeah. 50/50. But I have discovered that the EO I have been using is what’s causing the horrible soreness in my injections.
I brewed some prop @ 100mg/ml and some mast at the same concentration using only peanut oil, and my injections both today and yesterday were pain free.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
On a slightly different topic, I used guaiacol once to make test e at 500mg/ml. It actually dissolved with no BA/BB, though I added them anyway. 1/2cc of that was the single most painful injection I have ever given myself.[/quote]
More is not better. More is not better.
I have a really good friend that loves high concentration shit. His theory is that if you can walk after injecting, you didn’t make it right.
I hate ass pain. In a perfect world, I would never know that the needle was poked in, or removed, and I could never feel the injection site pain.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Solubility of a hormone is determined by the ester length.
Think about it… The ester is a fatty acid chain. Oil is a ‘fat’. So it would make sense that the longer the ester, the more easily it ‘melds’ with the surrounding oil, requiring less co-solvents.
I have made prop at 100mg/ml and will never see a reason to attempt higher concentrations.
Bushy[/quote]
I think it is as well - but riddle me this, Mr. BadBoy:
Why does Cypionate crash at its earliest opportunity? It is basically the same ester weight/length as Enanthate, but E is pretty much a liquid while Cypionate is an extremely hard to dissolve powder.
I have yet to make anything containing TCyp that did not crystalize in the vial over night.
Besides for prop are there any other esters or drugs that should be kept at a low mg/ml? For example tren ace at anything over 100mg/ml. I think someone mentioned that the shorter the ester, generally the lower the concentration.