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Hillary Losing to Sanders In Latest NH Poll


#1

For weeks I have been talking about how weak of a candidate Hillary Clinton is predicting her imminent defeat at the hands of almost any of the republican candidates. Not even her base is enthused about her candidacy. The more she speaks the higher her negative poll numbers climb. And then of course there are the many scandals.

Well, is it possible that Hillary will not even capture the democratic nomination? Old Bernie Sanders the socialist has now caught and passed her in a recent New Hampshire poll. Will the democrats allow the socialist to carry their banner into a national election knowing that according to the latest polls most republicans beat Bernie by 10 to 15 points (landslide proportions), or will they send in Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren knowing Hillary is destined to lose.

"Sanders topped Clinton with 44% compared to her 37% support among likely Democratic primary voters"

As I have been saying it is a republican year. The media is all aghast at Donald Trump but he will soon enough fade into the night. The real story is how very badly Hillary Clinton is doing and the rise of Socialist Bernie Sanders. If we had a fair media we would be reading far more about this story.


#2

Hillary is the candidate that get’s talked about when election conversations begin. As the campaigns begin to rev up, and as people and media outlets begin to pay more attention, enthusiasm and confidence in electability begin to wane. She’s the figurehead, an outright leader of the party, that the Democrats just can’t put their faith in to win it. Someone will propel past her to save it.


#3

I like you ZEB, but you’re underestimating the entitlement mindset of average America right now. Sanders and his legion of economic illiterates are going to win 40-45 states with all his promises for “free” stuff.

We’re fucked.


#4

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I like you ZEB, but you’re underestimating the entitlement mindset of average America right now. Sanders and his legion of economic illiterates are going to win 40-45 states with all his promises for “free” stuff.

We’re fucked. [/quote]

This. I wouldn’t wager that this specific election is the in which a Sanders could be elected. But, it surely isn’t too far off. And I wouldn’t be shocked if it did happen this time around, either. The Republicans’ only chance is to be the party that occupies the Democrats’ platform of the previous election…with each election from here on out. This is a progressive nation…progressing along predictably.


#5

People here showed out and had a raging hard-on for Bernie when he arrived.


#6

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
People here showed out and had a raging hard-on for Bernie when he arrived. [/quote]

That doesn’t surprise me. He’s getting big numbers and crowds in progressive areas. I can’t imagine he’ll do all that well once he hits the bible belt for example.


#7

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I like you ZEB, but you’re underestimating the entitlement mindset of average America right now. Sanders and his legion of economic illiterates are going to win 40-45 states with all his promises for “free” stuff.

We’re fucked. [/quote]

No my friend we are in good shape. You sound like a man who has put his faith in beating the democrats twice and lost. I get it, it can certainly destroy a persons confidence. But, trust me we are going to win this one. And the good old USA is going to make a comeback.

I’ve been through election cycles like this before then suddenly someone arrives on the scene and the subject is changed. That’s what we need now, and that’s what we are going to have! Obama has driven the country to its knees at this point. Most think that there is no hope. that’s what happens when there is poor leadership. Who was it that said “a fish rots from the head down?”.

Obama has harmed us not just financially but emotionally. From poor race relations to talk of a cajillian dollars an hour for minimum wage workers, over taxing job providers, dealing with our enemies as if they’re our friends. Spying on its citizens, using the IRS as a tool to punish his enemies. But take heart when he is gone in 15 months the subject will change as well. In fact, you see the air let out of his entire movement as he turns into a lame duck next year.

There is hope for this nation! When Obama leaves office things will begin to turn. We needed to hit bottom before we realized the sort of trouble that we’re in. Obama has led us to that bottom and now we are going to bounce back. I see a revival in this country. One where people stand up and are proud once again to be Americans. Once we have a President that believes in American exceptionalism. Our enemies will once again fear us and our friends will once again rally around us–This will happen!

It’s around the corner my friend- Keep the faith!


#8

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Hillary is the candidate that get’s talked about when election conversations begin. As the campaigns begin to rev up, and as people and media outlets begin to pay more attention, enthusiasm and confidence in electability begin to wane. She’s the figurehead, an outright leader of the party, that the Democrats just can’t put their faith in to win it. Someone will propel past her to save it.[/quote]

You make a good point Hillary may very well lose the nomination. But who is that “someone”? Bernie Sanders? Joe Biden? Elizabeth Warren? I have one thing to say about this group- Bring Them On! Not one of them is capable of beating the better GOP candidates. This is going to be a republican year with a massive GOP turnout and that is one reason why the smarter democrats are staying quiet.

In fact, as I have predicted right here on T Nation, if we get the right ticket, the GOP will win in a landslide!

I know the republicans have not always impressed you, or me either for that matter. But, they are still our best hope of turning this mess around. I remain optimistic! With a republican President and a house and senate republican we can actually make a difference.


#9

Sanders is Hillary/Obama. The thing is Hillary and Obama have always at least played the game and used Newspeak to down play who they really are. I always just attributed their popularity to dumb people being duped or wanting free shit. But Sanders is a full blown outspoken socialist that doesn’t hide everything. It is frightening to see how many people are embracing him.

Edit: The real question is are they embracing the ideology, or the fact that he is not Hillary?


#10

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

Edit: The real question is are they embracing the ideology, or the fact that he is not Hillary?[/quote]

The former.

It’s feel good, emotional based, displaced “guilt”.

We’re fucked


#11

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I like you ZEB, but you’re underestimating the entitlement mindset of average America right now. Sanders and his legion of economic illiterates are going to win 40-45 states with all his promises for “free” stuff.

We’re fucked. [/quote]

we are already fucked this notion that America has a free market and all the people believe it


#12

http://wegoted.com/videos/video-ed-schultz-news-and-commentary-wednesday-the-12th-of-august/


#13

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

We’re fucked
[/quote]

Nope!

Did you know that there was a very strong Socialist party in the US 75 years ago?

What happened to it?

Someone changed the subject…

Obama brought with him all sorts of left wing wacko ideas. When he leaves center stage those ideas will leave with him. Maybe not immediately but soon.

Okay I’ve already expressed these ideas so you’ll just have to wait and see. When it happens though I want a “good call Zeb”

:slight_smile:


#14

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://wegoted.com/videos/video-ed-schultz-news-and-commentary-wednesday-the-12th-of-august/[/quote]

Ed Schultz…LOL


#15

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Okay I’ve already expressed these ideas so you’ll just have to wait and see. When it happens though I want a “good call Zeb”

:)[/quote]

I’ll be happy to be wrong here, and will have zero issue saying the above.

In fact I hope I will be, and shortly.


#16

There comes a point where they go too far, and the pendulum swings the other way.


#17

Well, when the DNC chairwoman can?t think of a difference between socialism and the democrat platform, what do you expect?


#18

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There comes a point where they go too far, and the pendulum swings the other way. [/quote]

I read a book that discussed this phenomenon called “Micromotives and Macrobehavior” … pretty good behavioral economics book … stated that people tend to “overcorrect” for a problem due to uncoordinated corrections. A bunch of individuals correcting for the same problem tending to overshoot the mark and swing far the other way. I forget how it can get to equilibrium (if it even can in this case).


#19

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There comes a point where they go too far, and the pendulum swings the other way. [/quote]

The pendulum has yet to swing back far enough. We still have, Medicaid, Medicare, Social security, and a slew of other social programs that have not been eradicated from past “swings.”


#20

Rumblings of Al Gore possibly jumping into the race.