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Hillary and Harry Reid

If Hillary can make some major coin from ‘cattle futures’, poor Harry should be allowed to get in on the act!

WASHINGTON | Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn?t owned the property for three years, property deeds show.

The Nevada Democrat?s deal was engineered by Jay Brown, a longtime friend and former casino lawyer whose name surfaced in a political bribery trial this summer and in previous organized-crime investigations. He has never been charged with wrongdoing ? except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court.

Land deeds obtained by The Associated Press show:

?The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas? booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright and a second parcel jointly with Brown.

?In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited-liability corporation created by Brown. The senator did not disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress that he had a stake in Brown?s company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

?After getting local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center, Brown?s company sold the land in 2004 to other developers, and Reid took $1.1 million of the proceeds, nearly tripling his investment. Reid reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.

The complex dealings allowed Reid to transfer ownership, legal liability and some tax consequences to Brown?s company without public knowledge but still collect a seven-figure payoff nearly three years later.

Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal in an interview last week.
— From the Kansas City Star

Maybe he ‘forgot’, like when Billy Boy forgot about selling land his ‘mother’ owned.

What do you think 100meters?

Is it corruption only when the Republicans do it?

I read about that. Looks like he broke the rules, sucks to be Harry Reid right now.

Hmmm…Las Vegas land… casino lawyer…hmmm…1.1 million for property he USED to own…

What’s Harry connection?

this thread if very quiet compared with the GOP pedophiles and similar threads.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
this thread if very quiet compared with the GOP pedophiles and similar threads. [/quote]

I noticed the same thing.

Most right wingers have condemned Foley for his actions. How about you left wingers condemning Harry Reid’s apparent corruption?

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
this thread if very quiet compared with the GOP pedophiles and similar threads. [/quote]

Are you suggesting that pedophilia is analagous to a suspect land deal?

This is old news. The office of the Inspector General looked at this already and could not pin it on Dirty Harry.

This is a great try by the GOP to pull the Democrats into their swamp but that is not going to work.

Harry Reid has been in office for far too long and will remain there until he does not want to server any longer unfortunately.

The MSM can sell more advertising from a pedophilia scandal in DC that it can from a quirky land deal in Nevada.

I would like to think I did not need to spell that out to you.

Thanks to N. Korea and Yankee pilots, the Foley thing has already pretty much run its course. Not much more is going to come of it.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
this thread if very quiet compared with the GOP pedophiles and similar threads.

Are you suggesting that pedophilia is analagous to a suspect land deal?

This is old news. The office of the Inspector General looked at this already and could not pin it on Dirty Harry.

This is a great try by the GOP to pull the Democrats into their swamp but that is not going to work.

Harry Reid has been in office for far too long and will remain there until he does not want to server any longer unfortunately.

The MSM can sell more advertising from a pedophilia scandal in DC that it can from a quirky land deal in Nevada.

I would like to think I did not need to spell that out to you.[/quote]

Once again you are missing the point. The point is that many are more than happy to jump on any hint of Republican scandal yet ignore obvious Democratic impropriety.

We even have a shill for the Democratic party that tries to argue that Clinton did not perjure himself.

Smells like hypocrisy to me.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
this thread if very quiet compared with the GOP pedophiles and similar threads.

Are you suggesting that pedophilia is analagous to a suspect land deal?

This is old news. The office of the Inspector General looked at this already and could not pin it on Dirty Harry.

This is a great try by the GOP to pull the Democrats into their swamp but that is not going to work.

Harry Reid has been in office for far too long and will remain there until he does not want to server any longer unfortunately.

The MSM can sell more advertising from a pedophilia scandal in DC that it can from a quirky land deal in Nevada.

I would like to think I did not need to spell that out to you.

Once again you are missing the point. The point is that many are more than happy to jump on any hint of Republican scandal yet ignore obvious Democratic impropriety.

We even have a shill for the Democratic party that tries to argue that Clinton did not perjure himself.

Smells like hypocrisy to me.[/quote]

After reading about Reid’s ‘land deal’ I have come to the conclusion that it is a non-issue.

He transfered the land to an LLC he setup while mistakenly claiming the land as a personal asset in his filings with congress.

All of my investement real estate is held in LLCs too but I do have the presence of mind not to mistakenly claim the real estate as a personal asset.

It looks like Dirty Harrry may be senial but he is not a crook in this particular case.

The Foley scandal will not go away because the Democrats have put that into their TV adds.

Dude… politicians are scum.

Foley was SUPER scum, which is why he gets more attention.

The dems are just as corrupted as the GOP, for the most part. The whole government is corrupt. <>

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
The Foley scandal will not go away because the Democrats have put into their TV adds.[/quote]

…Like the GOP doesn’t make equally annoying commercials? Conservative organizations with names like “People for Truth” are equally as disgusting.

The Kerry Vietnam commercials were equally as appaling as these retarded anti-Foley commercials. And if you haven’t noticed… it’s mostly GOP candidates “apologizing” and cutting any connectioon they might have had to Foley in commercials XD.

What he did was not against the law. It was against the rules of the Senate. He’ll be given a hearing. Maybe he should resign.

I think you’ll hear more about this case. Influence was used to rezone the land. This story will grow.

[quote]hedo wrote:
What he did was not against the law. It was against the rules of the Senate. He’ll be given a hearing. Maybe he should resign.

I think you’ll hear more about this case. Influence was used to rezone the land. This story will grow.[/quote]

I believe it was federal land and was traded in some sort of land swap, rezoned, Reid kept his involvement hidden from the Senate and made a fortune off the deal.

If the allegations are true he should be forced out. It reeks of corruption.

[quote]hedo wrote:
What he did was not against the law. It was against the rules of the Senate. He’ll be given a hearing. Maybe he should resign.

I think you’ll hear more about this case. Influence was used to rezone the land. This story will grow.[/quote]

It appears as though Reid did not break any laws but he may have technically violated Senate rules.

He seems to have made an honest mistake in claiming that he owned the land instead of claiming he was a partner in the 2 LLCs that owned the land.

I am interested to see what comes from the rezoning influence claim. Only time will tell.

Taylor and Hastert have dicey land deals of their own to explain.

They are all crooks…tell me something I don’t know.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
this thread if very quiet compared with the GOP pedophiles and similar threads.

I noticed the same thing.

Most right wingers have condemned Foley for his actions. How about you left wingers condemning Harry Reid’s apparent corruption?[/quote]

Does anyone care if it is a democrat or republican and why? These types of arguements are counter-productive! The whole dems vs. reps. is hogwash. Both parties are beyond repair and only look out for their own interests - NOT THE PUBLICS! To find even the slightest bit of objectivity and truthfulness you have to look past their framework of discussion.

I was gonna come in and debunk this, but marmadogg’s already done it.

But I’ll add that the article is misleading in a couple of ways in that Reid’s profit was 700000 and of course he did own the land…(there was no “sale” to the LLC(75% owned by Reid…) and all of this information was already known to the ethics committee, except for the transfer to the LLC which only owned this property, which ethics already knew of… So maybe a technical violation, but clearly this:

“Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn’t personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show”

is pure s–t.

also note there is no suggestion that he used his position to influence the price of the land—which actually would be bad, for example:

New Report Shows Taylor’s Earmarks Benefit Land he Owns. According to a new report by the Wall Street Journal, Charles Taylor, a wealthy businessman and banker, was able to get millions of dollars in earmarks for his district to improve land where Taylor owns thousands of acres and where he has even developed. The report shows that Taylor owns at least 14,000 acres of prime land in his district, some of which is near the main highway in Maggie Valley which, last year, received $11.4 million in federal dollars. Taylor’s companies own thousands of acres near the highway and had already developed a subdivision called Maggie Valley Leisure Estates. Another earmark last year sent $4.8 million to widen a highway through timber tracts that Taylor’s companies own. He also got millions for a loan for long-time contributors and millions more for improvements to a park that sits directly in front of his flagship bank in the district.

see, that’s bad.

and


(CBS/AP) House Speaker Dennis Hastert denied Thursday that he pushed for federal funding for a proposed highway in northeastern Illinois so he and his wife could reap about $1.8 million from land deals near their home in Kendall County.

The Sunlight Foundation, a newly created group whose declared aim is to inform the public about what members of Congress do, has accused Hastert of not divulging connections between the $207 million earmark he won for a highway, the Prairie Parkway, and an investment he and his wife made in nearby land.

that’s bad.(real bad).

By, the way a little trip to CREW’s website would point you to a couple of REAL sketchy dems, perhaps you should check into it, because as headhunter is trying to say here:
some dems are almost as bad as tje Republican party.(Alan Mollohan (D-WV) comes to mind)

[quote]hedo wrote:
What he did was not against the law. It was against the rules of the Senate. He’ll be given a hearing. Maybe he should resign.

I think you’ll hear more about this case. Influence was used to rezone the land. This story will grow.[/quote]

Evidence of “influence”, cause none given in the article?

[quote]100meters wrote:
I was gonna come in and debunk this, but marmadogg’s already done it.

But I’ll add that the article is misleading in a couple of ways in that Reid’s profit was 700000 and of course he did own the land…(there was no “sale” to the LLC(75% owned by Reid…) and all of this information was already known to the ethics committee, except for the transfer to the LLC which only owned this property, which ethics already knew of… So maybe a technical violation, but clearly this:

“Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn’t personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show”

is pure s–t.

also note there is no suggestion that he used his position to influence the price of the land—which actually would be bad, for example:

New Report Shows Taylor’s Earmarks Benefit Land he Owns. According to a new report by the Wall Street Journal, Charles Taylor, a wealthy businessman and banker, was able to get millions of dollars in earmarks for his district to improve land where Taylor owns thousands of acres and where he has even developed. The report shows that Taylor owns at least 14,000 acres of prime land in his district, some of which is near the main highway in Maggie Valley which, last year, received $11.4 million in federal dollars. Taylor’s companies own thousands of acres near the highway and had already developed a subdivision called Maggie Valley Leisure Estates. Another earmark last year sent $4.8 million to widen a highway through timber tracts that Taylor’s companies own. He also got millions for a loan for long-time contributors and millions more for improvements to a park that sits directly in front of his flagship bank in the district.

see, that’s bad.

and


(CBS/AP) House Speaker Dennis Hastert denied Thursday that he pushed for federal funding for a proposed highway in northeastern Illinois so he and his wife could reap about $1.8 million from land deals near their home in Kendall County.

The Sunlight Foundation, a newly created group whose declared aim is to inform the public about what members of Congress do, has accused Hastert of not divulging connections between the $207 million earmark he won for a highway, the Prairie Parkway, and an investment he and his wife made in nearby land.

that’s bad.(real bad).

By, the way a little trip to CREW’s website would point you to a couple of REAL sketchy dems, perhaps you should check into it, because as headhunter is trying to say here:
some dems are almost as bad as tje Republican party.(Alan Mollohan (D-WV) comes to mind)[/quote]

The thought of all these crooks being publicly humilated and sent to federal pound-them-in-the-ass prison warms my heart. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to matter how red handed they get caught because they always serve a minumum of prison time if they even serve time at all. More often the investigations quitely get rolled up and they get verbal slaps on the wrists.

I consider corrupt politicians far more corrosive to society than drug dealers and addicts. If only the repercussians for corruption and influence peddling reflected this…

[quote]100meters wrote:
I was gonna come in and debunk this, but marmadogg’s already done it.

…[/quote]

Please debunk it then.

Marmadogg did not debunk anything and neither did you. Reid hid things from the Senate.

You are merely trying to drag other crooked politicians in to shift blame away from Reid. Partisan hack.