Hi everyone. This is my first post and its a long one. Hopefully someone can help me out here.
I got gyno from a prohormone cycle back in March 2012. It was my one and only cycle, and I got minor gyno as a result. I have tried battleing the gyno using research chem letrozole for 6 weeks followed by 2 weeks of research chem nolvadex with some success. However, as soon as I got off of the research chem nolvadex the gyno started coming back. I felt it pulsating and tingling like crazy.
At this point, it was summer 2012 and I was very busy with school during summer semester. So in order to deal with the gyno, after much research I tried taking 1mg research chem aromasin daily, and this worked at keeping the gyno at bay.
Fast forward 3 months, and I think to myself that maybe if I used pharmaceutical drugs instead of research chems, then maybe the gyno would stop growing and/or reverse. So I order some pharm grade nolva, and started taking it at 20mg’s a day for about the next 2.5 months (mid november until end of January). The nolva had the effect of making me more forgetful and slower, which I combatted with caffiene.
The nolvadex worked great in terms of keeping the gyno dormant and shrinking it significantly, but as soon as I got off of it, very slowly but surely I was getting growth again, this time in both nipples. I decided to stay off of anything and stop self medicating for an entire month in hopes that my body would resolve the issue itself, but unfortunately the growth continued.
I decided to get a bloodtest to see what the matter was. On march 8th, after about a month off of nolva (after taking nolva at 20mg’s a day for 2.5 months), I tested for: Testosterone, Serum ; Luteinizing Hormone, Serum; Follicle Stimulating Hormone, Serum ; Estradiol, Serum; and SBHG serum. I made it a specific point to get tested 6 hours after I had woken up, so I would have an idea of how low my testosterone drops by the middle of the day.
these were my blood test results. (March 8th)
After seeing my testosterone at 349, which is literally 1 point away from being the lower bound of the range and my SBHG, which was at 71 and way out of range it became very clear to me as to why I still had gyno growth. The low testosterone combined with the extremely high SBHG was creating an environment which fostered gyno growth.
It was also clear to me why I had such high SBHG: Nolvadex is known to raise SBHG, and since I had just been on it for 2.5 months followed by a one month break it made sense that my SBHG would be high. I just thought that the SBHG would have dropped down to normal since I was off of everything for 1 month, but I guess not.
I decided to try to use some pharm grade aromasin in order to drop my sbhg. I took about 3mg of aromasin just one time and I felt like shit for about a whole week. I felt extremely unmotivated, I kept pissing out anything I drank within minutes, and I got bad leg cramps. After I lost a ton of water especially on my chest, I saw how my right nipple simply had a lump the size of a small marble.
By the end of the week after I had tried only aromasin, my left nipple started tingling and pulsating,especially before I went to sleep. Whenever I would wake up, I would find that my nipples had become puffier (the gyno gland had grown while I was sleeping).
In an emotional decision I decided to try nolvadex 20mg + aromasin 25 mg per day for about 1 month to try to reverse the gynecomastia which had formed. The gyno was showing signs of decreasing again, until I decided to take a sleeping aid containing doxylamine succinate on March 22 to help me fall asleep. This sleep aid pretty much knocked me right out, but as I fell asleep I felt my right nipple pulsating and growing like never before.
When I woke up the gland under my right nipple grew significantly overnight. After researching what could have happened, I found out that if you take antihistamines like benadryl or doxylamine, it could make the nolvadex much less effective because it changes the way the nolvadex is metabolized.
Here are blood tests from the next morning, after about 2 weeks of nolvadex+aromasin
After seeing these blood tests, I realized I was in over my head and there was no way I was ever going to reverse the gyno. My testosterone and estrogen numbers were very good. However, my sbhg went up by a little bit despite using 25mg aromasin for 2 weeks (probably because of the 2 weeks of 20mg nolvadex use at the same time).
What I found most “interesting” was that I had very rapid gyno growth the night before the second blood test as a result of using doxylamine despite my good testosterone and estrogen numbers.
These drug treatments are very taxing on me and I am at the end of my rope with this. I don’t have health insurance and make $10/hr so I don’t have the money to blow on an endocronologist, which is why I was self medicating with all these drugs. Now I am completely ready to have this bullshit come to an end, which is why I am coming here to ask for help. I threw away the rest of my aromasin because of how shitty I felt while on it and because I am fed up with this whole ordeal.
Right now, I am taking 20mg of nolva again daily to essentially keep the gyno growth dormant. At this point, I am not sure of what to do.
I know that I already tried going off of everything for a month, but the gyno kept growing.
Now I am thinking that maybe I did not wait long enough to allow my body to normalize. My main fear with going off of nolva permanently is that I will have gradual gyno growth over several months or even years until the gyno becomes very noticable which may require surgery. Perhaps the gyno might never stop growing, I don’t even know.
This has been my living hell for the past year. What should I do?
Age: 21 yrs old
Weight: 163 LBS/ 15 % bodyfat
-height: 69 Inches
-waist:: Unsure, but
-describe body and facial hair: Can grow facial hair just fine. I shave every 2-3 days. Chest hair also grows, but very slowly.
-describe where you carry fat and how changed: mainly in stomach.