Did you not say morality is subjective? In which case murder is no more objectively wrong than liking neon green as your favorite color.
You act as if I’ve disputed the attractive forces of gravity.
Don’t be so emotional. We are talking about opinions without objective right or wrong. Or, are you claiming that there is some objective moral difference between the two?
Feel free, but we then have have to abandon subjective morality as the only kind. And instead accept the existence of at least some objective truths we can’t demonstrate through the scientific method. Which is to say we can embrace faith. Which, in turn, disarms us against theists, giving them a place at the big boy table.
Why do people do it? They parade out the scientific method as the one true reality (um, for what alien species…certainly not humans), ridicule faith as believing in fairy tales, yet turn around and impugn the morality of God and religion. And not as if it was just an opinion, but as if they are speaking from some true, independent, and self evident foundation. As if they can actually build moral evidence against God/religion. But, then when pressed on morality, claim it is subjective. Your opinion? Great. I like blue, you like red.
See, that is the exact response I’m talking about. Nobody lives that way. We all operate as if by moral laws. We will storm out in moral outrage, even. Sounds like there is more to it than just being opinion we all must arrive at on our own, to me.
“There’s no objective moral wrong, but you’re, your God, and your religion are definitely and self evidently wrong…”
I always think the religion debate is good fun, until that asshole comes along and has an attitude about it, and gets mad at you for believing or not believing.
I dont believe. I still uphold myself to a strong sense of morality. I do things that I think would benefit me without harming others. I help people when I see that they need help. Their religion has 0 impact on me unless they ostracize me for my lack of one. I’m probably a bit more selfish, but not in a harmful way.
I dont need God to tell me not to be a dick. However some people do. Whether that’s all they were taught, maybe through recovery they needed something to devote their mental energy to… you never know.
Believing in a higher power doesnt make you an idiot. Not believing in anything doesnt make me cold hearted and evil. It’s pretty simple logic.
The “religion debate” has “done things as far as cause wide scale murder,” or people have committed widespread murder in the name of religion? Do you think people would be more peaceful without religion? Do you not think it’s possible/probable that people would commit the same crimes in the name of XYZ(favorite color, maybe) if religions didn’t exist? I don’t know the answers, but it’s hard for me to imagine people being less screwed up in the absence of religion.