What are these premises? Also, are you talking about arguments or proofs?
You mean, like Kant? Or Moses?
Unless you actually are wrong. But then again, I suppose we all have our own truth. Religion invented that concept.
What are these premises? Also, are you talking about arguments or proofs?
You mean, like Kant? Or Moses?
Unless you actually are wrong. But then again, I suppose we all have our own truth. Religion invented that concept.
Hence why, when I asked him if he was constructing a proof or argument, he avoided answering.
That doesnât seem to make sense. An all powerful monotheistic God gets exactly what he wants, every time. Why wouldnât He?
I tend to agree. Why does God work in strange ways? For one thing, the universe is far from completely understood by us humans. We keep making progress, but there are always new wonders coming to light. We should not be anthropocentric and assume everything just ought to suit us, and I donât call it God.
I can think of instances where we have the power to get what we want out of people, but choose not to. At least in my own life.
I tend to agree. Why does God work in strange ways? For one thing, the universe is far from completely understood by us humans. We keep making progress, but there are always new wonders coming to light. We should not be anthropocentric and assume everything just ought to suit us, and I donât call it God.
Oh sure, the universe really doesnât suit us. Our existence in it will be less than a blink. And then it too will likely die in heat death.
I can think of instances where we have the power to get what we want out of people, but choose not to. At least in my own life.
Maybe.
Having the power to get what you would want, but then choosing to forego that for the sake of some sort of higher principle, respect for the other, etc
When you choose not to, itâs because one desire outweighs the other.
Or said differently, your beliefs, values, etc lead you to that decision
Or said differently, that power you describe is actually an illusion. That decision is a reflection of who you are, which is a reflection of who you were.
And maybe not. Iâm interested in seeing your response.
I would also add that an all powerful God doesnât have the limitations we do. Meaning that he can get EXACTLY what He wants. He doesnât find Himself in situations that surprise Him. Heâs not surprised to learn that he is actually more compassionate than He thought he was and Heâs going to forego x for sake of y.
I believe in fate more than I used to, but in a literal eternal Hell less than I used to. A static state with no end in sight sincerely approximates eternity well enough so as to be barely distinguishable.
An example could be a loop that has repeated for so long that you can barely remember anything that happened before it. And then it continues a little longer until you actually DO forget. And then maybe it continues for quadruple that. All you remember is the contents of the dreadful loop, you donât even retain the capacity for hoping for something better. You donât even remember how dreadful the loop used to be, itâs not as bad anymore since you canât remember something better, youâve grown used to it. Youâve suffered an eternity, and at some point you might belong elsewhere. Perhaps a blank slate, fit for reincarnation back to this heavenly plane of existence
(Not you, by the way)
I donât expect that it will happen exactly that way, I expect to be surprised. I expect that He wonât be, and I expect that it will all go exactly as He designed. So maybe He does want everyone to worship Him eventually, and prefers to have some of us kicked around a bit longer than others. Iâd recommend holding tightly to the idea of Him being perfect and getting exactly what He wants though.
I donât mean to talk down to you, no disrespect intended. You probably needed none of this - I needed it
Salaam Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Iâm with John Lennon on this, whatever gets you through the night baby.
Oh gosh, what a reply. A good one, donât get me wrong. But one Iâm not able to really tackle and be fair about in a discussion. You deserve a long reply back (perhaps many). In short, Iâm running back and forth in my state these last couple of weeks. So much so longer posts sure seem daunting. Anyways, I find William Lane Craigâs arguments in favor of molinism compelling.
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Take care and God bless.
Iâve always wondered if one was going in to a black hole and crosses the boundary where gravity becomes so intense that time slows to infinity, essentially trapping something in that infinitely small moment for an infinite span of time- if one would be stuck for all of eternity with that final thought. Whether it was terror or elation would determine whether or not you were in heaven or hell.
All of the descriptions of the physical actions of a black hole remind me of the classic descriptions of hell.
Therefore, Ancient Aliens.
Ah, nice.
So then Judgement Day could be when the black hole comes to earth?
So then Judgement Day could be when the black hole comes to earth?
No itâs when a extinction event sized meteor is on a collision course with Earth. Starring Ice-T and Mario Van PeeblesâŠ
Anyways, I find William Lane Craigâs arguments in favor of molinism compelling
It was a good video, Iâve seen a few from him now and they were all good
So then Judgement Day could be when the black hole comes to earth?
No itâs when a extinction event sized meteor is on a collision course with Earth. Starring Ice-T and Mario Van PeeblesâŠ
Hah, it occurred to me that God could be more massive than a black hole and meeting with Him might be something like what Skyz described
So then Judgement Day could be when the black hole comes to earth?
Maybe?
Imagine that though. Being trapped in an eternal moment with your very last thought. Wonder, amazement, terror, what ever thought your mind creates when confronted by a truly inexplicable cosmic force.
Imagine that though. Being trapped in an eternal moment with your very last thought.
Itâs hard, Iâm trying
While thinking on it, I realized/remembered that in relativity you supposedly still experience time at the same rate for yourself and the people around you - itâs the people away from you who might be way older or younger. And if time slows super slow then also the electricity in your brain would too - meaning your thoughts relative to each other would still be at the same rate
My physics could be wrong tho
But physics aside, the part I quoted is difficult to consider. I canât remember ever having sleep paralysis, but something like that would be the closest thing, minus the toe wiggling⊠or the ability to even think it⊠man thatâs nuts
Pretty much.
Thereâs a small percentage of people who have very helpful ideas that seem crazy at first sight, yet weâd be crazy to leave it at that
Do you believe the contents of the picture you posted ought to be enough to wipe out religion?
Do you believe the contents of the picture you posted ought to be enough to wipe out religion?
Yes. I also find it interesting how theres hundreds of religions and thousands of gods but each claim to be the only one. Like is the easter bunny real? No.
I also find it interesting how theres hundreds of religions and thousands of gods but each claim to be the only one
Hundreds of religions? Sure. I can see that.
Thousands of monotheistic Godâs? I havenât seen that.
Greeks, Romans werenât claiming monotheism.
Hinduism might have, but they donât claim each God (incarnate) to be âthe only oneâ
Could you give me like 10 examples?