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HgH Protocol for Musculoskeletal Injury?


#1

Long-time reader, first time poster. I hope I can get some input from anyone who is very knowledgeable in the use of GH and whether or not it can be used successfully to treat musculoskeletal injuries. Iâ??ve read studies that HGH are successful at healing burn victims, healing tissue in mice where they do sham surgeries compared to placebos and also post-operative HgH use in the elderly showing remarkable results.

However I canâ??t find any adequate data other than anecdotal reports of lifters using it to heal what every injury they had at 2-4iu a day for 3-6 months saying it worked.

Iâ??ve read through BBBâ??s HgH protocol (8-12iu E3D, I know itâ??s an aesthetic protocol to mimic the growth spurts during puberty), but can it be used for healing musculoskeletal injuries? As for one this protocol is 21 day w/7 days of 8-12ius which would be cheaper than 4iu every day for 6 months. Additionally If I can use this to improve body comp/aesthetics while healing an injury, that would be a win-win.

I can get some HgH (Pfizer redi pens, 36iu/12mg for 550 bucks = ~15$ iu). I have no idea if this a good deal or not.

History of my injury:
Iâ??ve been dealing with low back discomfort since April 2013 when I fell getting into the shower (landing on my PSIS) giving me instant sciatic pain down left leg and was crippled for 3 weeks. Received chiropractic treatment for 3 months and I was able to slowly start lifting heavy again. However since that day, I have had morning stiffness (feeling like an old man) to this day. I never really sought out further diagnosis between 2013/2014 (x-rays/mri/ultrasound) because I was still able to lift and compete in powerlifting so I thought I was fine.

Nov 2014 I did too much volume on squats and deads at the gym â?? and my glute gave out in the hole and I had to grind it out (no spotters and was in squat stand so no safetyâ??s). Saw my chiro again and he said when my glute gave out my sacroiliac ligament took the load and I strained/slightly tore it. I received regular treatment and I competed in Aug 2014 with no pain/discomfort other than morning stiffness.

April 2015 I did CPF Ontario provincials winning raw 181, all the training up to it I was in discomfort â?? had to do very intricate warm ups to be able to squat / DL, but when I was lifting there was no pain. When I started my next strength training cycle (june 2015) after my hypertrophy phase (apr-june) I was in daily pain with every day movements (putting socks on etc) so I stopped all squatting and deadlifting in July to avoid aggravation.

Current Status of injury:
-XRAY- slight degeneration of l5/s1 disc, no fractures of facet joints which sport Dr was concerned about
-Blood tests- to rule out any inflammatory diseases
-MRI (October) = protruding disc l5/s1 to the left (I have no neurological symptoms, other than sharp pain when sneeze in my sacrum, and is also to hip/side I fell on)
-Saw pain specialist back in Nov â?? his diagnosis is the ligaments in my back are still injured and Iâ??m a candidate for PRP injection, regarding the protruding disc he said that was more a symptom/cause of the weak/injured tissues on left side of pelvis/low back. Iâ??ve been referred out to another Dr. and donâ??t have appointment till Feb 22nd 2016, and thus I wont receive PRP treatment for a while. With qualifying meet for CPF nationals coming up I need something now so I can be could in a month or 2 to start really training.

My Stats:
-Age = 23, Height= 5â??9, Weight = 185lbs, BF % = 13-15% if I had to guess (visible abs and decent vascularity), Lifting experience = 6 years (3 years bodybuilding, 3 years powerlifting)
-Best competition Lifts (Raw no sleeves or wraps)- SQ-507, BP-330, DL-585 @ 181
-Best gym lifts (raw/sleeves) SQ-530, BP-360 (touch n go), 605 DL @ ~185

I really want to get better, and start lifting again so I can compete in April to qualify for CPF nationals in June. The PRP treatment is 600$ + the doc told me and it might even take 2+ injections which Iâ??m looking at 1200$ minimum. If HGH can help speed up my recovery so I can start training and qualify for nationals that would be awesome! Additionally would anavar be another optional route as itâ??s also used in hiv/burn patients to increase collagen synthesis?

Please let me know If HGH is viable route for healing the ligaments in my back or if you guys think I should wait for PRP or should do both (money is tight as Iâ??m a student, but will do whatever it takes to get back to lifting ((Rich Piana pun, but seriously)) because not doing what I love is making me depressed as shit.

Thank you


#2

Since my only experience is using it post-op with my wife - she used it before and after ankle surgery and the physician was amazed at how fast she healed - she has also commented repeatedly since about how great her ankles and other joints feel. I would think HGH would help in this issue, but I really have no experience or background to say that definitively.

I would think doing it separate from the PRP would be a good idea though, simply to see how each one is helping independently of each other. Someone with more knowledge on this might have a different opinion though.

BUMP for someone who knows more on this.


#3

another option might be MK677 or the GHRP’s, in boosting your own hGH without costing you an arm and leg… anavar is a decent idea as well, but also kinda costly, and you’re gonna need to run a low-moderate dose of testosterone along with it.

as far as your powerlifting, are you drug free? if so, then this kinda changes the whole game…

another thing to think about: i’m 39 years old, and while i never competed in powerlifitng, have been lifting and doing combat sports for over 25 years. i will says this… i have something hurting on me, all the time. i am never not in pain, and i’m guessing a lot of the older guys here are similar… i’d strongly suggest taking the time now to deal with your injury correctly instead of rushing into this competition.


#4

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
another option might be MK677 or the GHRP’s, in boosting your own hGH without costing you an arm and leg… anavar is a decent idea as well, but also kinda costly, and you’re gonna need to run a low-moderate dose of testosterone along with it.

as far as your powerlifting, are you drug free? if so, then this kinda changes the whole game…

another thing to think about: i’m 39 years old, and while i never competed in powerlifitng, have been lifting and doing combat sports for over 25 years. i will says this… i have something hurting on me, all the time. i am never not in pain, and i’m guessing a lot of the older guys here are similar… i’d strongly suggest taking the time now to deal with your injury correctly instead of rushing into this competition.[/quote]

Thank you for response, cycobushmaster. Yes I am drug free other than a Test E cycle (500mg x 8 week) i did at 19 when i was young and dumb (I’m still young and dumb at 23 i know) and influenced by friends to do so. Because past cycle I don’t compete tested, and I plan on using in future years.

I got another quote for HGH- 1 kit for 400$ and the kit has 100iu which last 2.5 month guy said.

Is the natural release amount from MK677 and GHRP-6 enough to cause changes? Have you tried this or know anyone that has successfully? I’ve heard of these compounds, will have to read further into them.

Ya i think your right, I will probably hold off on this meet and not run risk of doing further damage for the sake of new PRs. I just want to feel better at this point and not feel like an old man lol.

I got 1000$ I’ve been saving for eleiko PL bar, but ill put it towards getting better. What do you suggest I do/take? MK677/GHRP or real HGH or anavar or a combination?

Thank you


#5

[quote]boatguy wrote:
Since my only experience is using it post-op with my wife - she used it before and after ankle surgery and the physician was amazed at how fast she healed - she has also commented repeatedly since about how great her ankles and other joints feel. I would think HGH would help in this issue, but I really have no experience or background to say that definitively.

I would think doing it separate from the PRP would be a good idea though, simply to see how each one is helping independently of each other. Someone with more knowledge on this might have a different opinion though.

BUMP for someone who knows more on this.[/quote]

Thank you for response boatguy. Did her Dr prescribe it? And at what does and for how long did she take HGH? How was it administered? as i heard sub q can cause insulin resistance (IR) which makes IM/IV was the best route of administration to avoid IR.

-I think you are right about if i do hgh, i should do it separate from PRP so i know whats doing what and whats working.

Thank you


#6

No, not prescribed. Doc didn’t know she was on it, that’s why he was so amazed at her speed of recovery. She did 2iu/day SC for a little over 3 months.

Where did you read/hear that SC injections can cause insulin resistance? I’ve never heard that before, and I can’t see why type of injection (SC vs IV/IM) would have an effect on that.


#7

Generally when you get your kit or when the doc prescribes it to you they will say take it SC before bed… This seems to be the general instructions…Dont flame me but I think the whole protocal thing may be just bro-science… I’ve run HGH consistently over about 4yrs… SC IM mornings nights 5/2 and loading up eod style… The only thing I saw that ever made a difference was just pinning more H, or more pure brands as far a gainz go… But for injury relief it was all the same… I started mine due to shoulder surgery and just never stopped… I say 2-3iu of a deent brand 5 days a week over 3-6 months will help with allot of injuries… Its not surgery in a vial but it is nice post Op :slight_smile:


#8

When I read through BBB HgH protocol he said SC injections have 8hr active time in body (50% goes in lymphatic system and 50% in blood) and because of the slow release of HgH over 8hours that’s a long time to have elevated physiological levels of IGF-1 and blood glucose which can cause IR.

-I also read in a few studies that IR was recorded based on an OGTT (oral glucose tolerance test). This study compared HgH vs Anavar for burn victims i believe which they then recommended anavar over HgH as it had no side effects.

-Only reason I thought IM would be more superior than SC


#9

thehebrewhero, have you noticed any facial feature changes being on that long (4yr)?

If i stay on for 5 months do you think there will be any noticeable facial changes as this is my only concern with HgH.

-I have no idea if the brand I’m getting is “good”, so should i run a slightly higher dose, say 4iu for 5 months?
-And you say an EOD approach for this?
-And SuB Q before bed? 1 Does or split into 2 doses (morning/ night on off days, and post training/ night on training days?)

-Just out of curiosity, like steroids your natural production will eventually stop via negative feedback loops does this happen too? Where the elevated IGF-1 levels /exogenous GH will eventually cause a negative feedback on the anterior pituitary stopping the release of natural GH and stopping the hypothalamus with sending GHRH to the anterior pituitary?
-or natural stimulus such as “ghrelin etc” will always keep the natural HgH flowing.


#10

Not sure what you mean by facial features? I notice that my hair has a better sheen to it… Im not certain but I feel like skin may be a bit tighter less impact from crows feet… IMO it seems to slow down aging affects but thats not a 2-6month thing its got to be a for life type deal HGH is a slow thing… It helps other stuff but by its self its not a miracle… Dont start off with 4iu you may not like the sides…jitters, achey joints, headaches, start low like 1-2iu then go from there… I dont know if the EOD or 5/2 is best… For that matter SC vs IM… I’ve done it both ways and never saw a bigg diff either way… Im not sure if mornings or nights is best I’ve done it both ways and never saw any great diff either way…IMHO I think just get it in your body a few times a week and it will do its thing…The key is consistancey over a long time