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Help With Infertillity and Gear Use


#1

I have looked alot of places and got alot of different responses. I have been very impressed with the forum here so hopefully i can get some good input.

My wife and I are trying for a child. I came off totally about 4 weeks ago. This is my cycle-

I was on test cyp 600mg for 20 weeks total until about 4 weeks ago.
Dbol for 12 weeks I continued T for another 4 weeks after that.

Now I have been told the dbol would shut down sperm production, i have been told half and half that the T would too.

I can find no medical information that says test alone will cause infertillity.

My clomid has not come in im still waiting now for about 4 weeks for my order from advancedstealth. Prolly not going to see it unfortunately..

So my PCT has sucked. I wiened myself down to 50mg of test a week in the last 4 - 5 weeks of the 20 week test. And i been using over the counter items, 6 oxo and nolvadex.

I asked my doc for HCG and he said i wouldnt need it that i would come back on my own.

Now the questions. Will doing test alone cause infertillty or decrease sperm production?
How long should i stay off to let my testes recover before i get back on test? I have lost so much of my size its sad, and i feel like crap.

Im 32 and my natural test level was 308 on a blood test from lab that normal range for my age was 300-800, so my natural test level is on the low end..

Thanks for any input..


#2

Losing size is to be expected, but how much of it you keep will depend on your PCT, how you train post-cycle, and how much mass your body can sustain through natural production (and at 308, honestly, it's not a lot).

Testosterone will certainly not cause infertility. Although I do think that your alleged taper is skewed. I'm assuming you didn't exactly taper off those 600mg/week gradually, since you say you went from 600mg to 50mg in just 4-5 weeks.

Basically, your PCT should have been more rigorous and longer. But then again, I'm not much of an expert on the topic.


#3

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#4

HCG 250 SC EOD is probably enough. But with the half life of HCG, 500iu SC EOD would reduce the injections.

About that pregnancy... was the baby his? ;}


#5

albig,

What were you doing for estrogen control?

Any T that increases your levels will shutdown the HPTA. With no LH, the testes shrink and long term shrinkage can lead to permanent changes. HCG all through a cycle at 250iu SC EOD is ideal.

The only mechanism for reduced or lost fertility from gear is from PHTA shutdown. HCG will prevent all of that.

I don't think that tapering and dwelling at 50mg/wk is a good idea. The T levels will be small, E is probably high and SHBG can be high. Your FT make be very low and the E will block the action of whatever FT you have - you felt like crap? Guys with low T, who are on TRT, do not seem to ever be dosed at 50mg/wk, typically started at 100mg/wk. End of test taper should overlap SERM.

Then stop the T and stay on adex through the PCT and after. Adex dose can be tapered down from on-gear dose after 2 weeks into PCT, then at 1.5mg/wk through PCT and beyond, then reduce to 1mg/wk, that dose can be scaled by body weight against a 160 lb reference weight. If you get E2 serum testing (0-53) then aim for lower 20's.


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#7

can someone please translate the abbreviations?
Im in a somewhat similar situation so this would really be helpfull


#8

TRT - testosterone replacement therapy
EOD - every other day
PCT - post cycle therapy

HPTA
SERM
HCG
SHBG

I'll ask that you look up these last four on your own -- that way, the info will stick wih you longer and a solid understanding is mandatory anyway.


#9

I feel that your main questions have been answered so..

Why did you use Dianabol for 12 weeks? That is very long for such a toxic drug, i assume you know this as you seemed to be experienced somewhat.
What dose was it at?

JJ


#10

whats LH, LT, CNN, CBS, ILWU, PPN, soo on and so forth. I think we should write this shit out so there is no confusion...wait I thought I read forum rules somewhere, aren't abbreviations against those rules? could be wrong


#11

Careful bub, your walking a slippery slope.
In this thread you will get a new one torn open for ya.

       THE POWERS HAVE SPOKEN

I say this from experience ...


#12

Abbreviations are against the rules?
NTTAWWT, but WTF?

Lol...


#13

like omg bff lolz

this thread lost its purpose


#14

Shortly after my first cycle of test. me and my wife tried to have a baby....this went on for a year with no luck til i went to the doc for a sperm test and found that they were alive, just had a very low count that was the problem

so guess what he gave me? more test. he prescribed andriol and within 1 month she was pregnent. that was like 9 years ago cant remember the dosage sure it was low.......
hope that helps......


#15

WHAT!? Seriously? Wow, that is strange. Were they the little reddish oval caps?


#16

I'm on TRT and my doc has me taking 250iu HCG on day 6 and 7 of my cycle. She put aside the birth control and it took 7 months of trying, but my wife got pregnant (kid #2) without a hitch. Not sure why 7 months, we think it had to do with her body still recovering from kid #1 and the BC pills she was on.

I was only taking the doc prescribed TRT too, nothing extra (because I can't seem to find a source for it).


#17

yes thats the one........ and it worked!!