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Help with Cycle

Hey, this is my first post so please forgive me in advance for any newbie errors

I’m 18 and i know its dangerous to even look at gear at my age and ive seen countless other late teens who ask about gear but ive been training since i was 14 im 5’10 75kgs and am on accutane for my skin 50mgs im well adapted to the drug by now as well as im almost finished and i know how strong it is on the liver but i im going to do test e in march for rugby but i am going to the states in 6 weeks so i dont have time to do that now and therefor will only do it in march ive read hours of info on anavar and release that is what i want.

im looking at 50mgs for 4 weeks or 20mgs i realise this is a poor cycle and this is only to
make sure im ready for my trip.

I also know that anavar can kill your natural test and thas why my question is

A.)Will i be okay if i use a proper pct???
B.)what pct should i use?

I know im going to get alot of answers that basically call me a fool but im really looking to hear from those guys with experience, i live in south africa and play rugby as scrum half and everyone is on gear so much so that i get injured

P.S I spoke to my doc about the accutane and anavar

my diets in cheek aswell as my training.thank you all for the help in advance and here is some help for those thinking about anavar

some anavar facts


Anavar is a badass drug. This is why:

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on var , the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this…if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var , its not gonna happen .


Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar , used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic , and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet ). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT .

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT .
This is one ive never understood. It’s a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid /nolva …this is your testicular function we’re talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as “heavy” as PCT for, say, a test /eq cycle . 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3…but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar , then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron , starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.


Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, test enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days…however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.


Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid , and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle . A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system


Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax…

Rethink this.

Also, post this in the steroid forum, where you’re likely to get a lot more educated answers on why you should rethink this.

I’m not going to comment on your cycle.

A.) Yes
B.) Use a SERM. Nolva or Clomid.

how much nolva must i use? must i start the day after my last pill