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Help with Big Beyond Belief Program

Hi,I’m finishing my third week of the first ramp of this program in the 6 workouts per week modality. By reading experiences arround the web and specially the big thread about that program in this forums, it seems that by now I should be starting to feel very tired since I’m entering the accute overtraining state. But it seems that I could still go perfectly a couple of weeks more continuing adding volume and cutting rest periods.

I’m not messing with the rest periods (I always put the alarm in the phone so it rings 1 minute 20 seconds after I finish each set, right now rest periods according to the program are 1 minute and half) and I take all the sets to the point in which compromising the form even more will be extremely dangerous or completely pointless since I wouldn’t even been hiting the muscle group I’m working.

Also, my stats are 5’10, 205 lb, 22 years old, 5 years lifting (not perfectly because the first 3-4 years I was being mislead by wrong training and dieting advice).

The thing is, is that I have a very high threshold in terms of overtraining, I sleep at least 9-10 hours per day and my diet doesn’t lack any macro or micronutrient, so it takes like a month and a half on this kind of frequency, with like 30%-50% more volume than BBB has to reach overtraining. I’ve reached that point before in my life even reaching the chronic overtraining state and then injuring myself so I’m familiar with the sensation.

So now the question, should I jump on the supergrowth phase, even if I’m not yet close to overtraining, or should I continue this ramp increasing the amount of volume and reducing rest until I reach that point then do the supergroth phase?

Thanks.

Yeah, do the SuperGrowth Phase. Give the program at least that initial, full 6 weeks before making your own tweaks.

IME, if you pick the right lifts, are eating good, and getting rest, BBB shouldn’t ‘overtrain’ you or get you all that close to it. I look at the program as simply just cycling volume, density, and intensity. I don’t look at the Ramp as “this is going to kill me” or SuperGrowth as “this will be a nice break”. I just look at them as two separate parts of an entire program.

Ok thanks for the answer!

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

IME, if you pick the right lifts, are eating good, and getting rest, BBB shouldn’t ‘overtrain’ you or get you all that close to it. I look at the program as simply just cycling volume, density, and intensity. I don’t look at the Ramp as “this is going to kill me” or SuperGrowth as “this will be a nice break”. I just look at them as two separate parts of an entire program. [/quote]

Ramp2, 6x/week. Week 3. Hell.

Precisely, I’ve read a lot of times that week 3 is supposed to be hell, but I’m not feeling it.

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

IME, if you pick the right lifts, are eating good, and getting rest, BBB shouldn’t ‘overtrain’ you or get you all that close to it. I look at the program as simply just cycling volume, density, and intensity. I don’t look at the Ramp as “this is going to kill me” or SuperGrowth as “this will be a nice break”. I just look at them as two separate parts of an entire program. [/quote]

Ramp2, 6x/week. Week 3. Hell.[/quote]

Sorry, I was mostly referring to those first 6 weeks of the program. I’m not a fan of the other 2 Ramps. I did them, and just felt they are as near as effective as the 1st one (for me at least).

Ok, now, I intend to only do the first cycle of the program, and then cut til summer. What kind of program should I use to cut and keep my gains?. It is usually said that when you want to cut, just do what gave you the muscle but on a deficit, but according to the book, this program can’t be done on a calorie deficit.

Ok. I intend to do the first phase only, and then cut for two months. What style of training should I use to keep the gains of this program since it says on the book that you can’t do this kind of training with a calorie deficit?

[quote]StelioK wrote:
Ok. I intend to do the first phase only, and then cut for two months. What style of training should I use to keep the gains of this program since it says on the book that you can’t do this kind of training with a calorie deficit?[/quote]

I ran the first Ramp twice through on a deficit, and was able to have pretty successful cut with it. I think it’s a fin program to use as long as you aren’t training stupidly and aren’t in an EXTREME deficit/trying to get contest lean. Even then, I would maybe just do something similar to the SuperGrowth Phase.

[quote]StelioK wrote:
Ok. I intend to do the first phase only, and then cut for two months. What style of training should I use to keep the gains of this program since it says on the book that you can’t do this kind of training with a calorie deficit?[/quote]

Dont no why you would start the program with the intension of only doing one ramp?

From my experience, the first ramp wasnt to bad! But i remember looking forward to the future ramps thinking “holy shit that will be tough”

Im going to run the BBB again in the future but only when i no i can cover the calories needed to get thru it!

[quote]StelioK wrote:
Ok, now, I intend to only do the first cycle of the program, and then cut til summer. What kind of program should I use to cut and keep my gains?. It is usually said that when you want to cut, just do what gave you the muscle but on a deficit, but according to the book, this program can’t be done on a calorie deficit.[/quote]

IMO, I would do the whole program and see which ramping regimen works for you. One might be too little, Two might end up being too much, and Three might end up being just right. Honestly, if I wanted to get the most out of the program I probably would have stuck with Two, but man it was a big commitment recovery-wise. Felt thrashed all the time during the ramp, which was pretty brutal.

has anyone here received similar results to Modok. seemed a little exagerated lol