Okay guys, first let me say that it's nice to meet everyone. Although I'm a new addition to T-Nation, I've been reading plsts from here (and other forums) for about a year or so now. I chose TN because of the amount of experienced posters. You fellas really seem to know what your doing and the level of knowledge I've received from here is far greater than any other place, so good job and keep it up guys.
Now on to the problem. I've been liftin for about 7 years now give or take, and pretty much all of it has been all natural. Ive got some experience with gear, although it's pretty limited. About ten months ago, a friend of mine or ahold of some Anadrol 50. He ask me if i were interested and at first I was skeptical of course, but after doing some research (admittedly not enough) I chose to get some.
I got 25 tablets and did one a day for weekdays and a half a tab for saturday and Sunday. I ran it like this until it was gone. I gained about 23 pounds of muscle and water bloat. I was obviously stronger than ever before, yet I also had a little bit of acne (easily controlled) and my nipples got a bit puffy and sensitive. I did not do any post cycle therapy.
You heard me right.. NO PCT! Now this isn't because I didn't want to. It's because I simply did not have a source for anything. The nipple thing kind of bothered me, but it really didn't show up until I only had about 8 days left. I didn't notice any testicular atrophy, just the nipple thing that kind of bothered me. I very seriously considered buying some nolva or clomid off the net (because unless I understand wrong arimidex wouldn't work with A50).
But with all the posters screaming about getting ripped off from the scam sites, I didn't wanna waste my money. Well after all the A50 was gone, I got the oppurtunity to buy some winstrol tablets. I had been researching and decided that since it couldn't convert to estrogen, it couldn't hurt me. So I began to take The 50 mg tabs the same way I did the A50. One per day on weekdays, and half on sat and sun. I ran it this way until it was gone.
After it was all gone I just kept lifting and eating and maintained a suprising chunk of good muscle (little less than ten lbs I'd say), and the nipple pain and swelling went away on it's own. Remember, I did NO PCT here for any of this! I just guessed that since it was a short cycle my estrogen levels tapered off back to normal, and since I couldn't get ahold of anything and everything seemed okay, I wrote it off.
This all began about last December, and ended around February. Kept lifting as normal and then about June of this year, my buddy had some more Winstrol for sale. Same 50mg tabs. I thought of what I saw from it the first time, an decided to buy it again. Same story here, 50mg on weekdays and half a pill on each day of the weekend. I ran it this way until I was out (sorry for the repetitiveness). It hardened up the muscles and I gained about 3lbs of more quality muscle.
No sides to speak of. Fast forward to now and all I've had since then was milk thistle about three or four days a week to try and recover the liver even though all cycles were relatively short (little under four weeks). Two days ago the same buddy had come across more A50. This was all he had. Remembering the nipples and acne, I reluctantly purchased some more. This was only because I broke my hand in July and couldn't lift much at all. Figuring it wouldn't hurt to get a little jump start couldnt hurt.
This is where it gets a bit weird...
About a week before he called with the A50, my friends sister gave me some HCG. Before you ask, she had a weight problem and the doctor gave her pre mixed syringes with 40 cc's apiece in them. She used one and didn't like them and had planned to throw them away. Reverting back to what I had read, I immediately told her not to, and talked her into giving them to me.
I didnt even know what the hell I was gonna do with em, so i just stuck em in the fridge and began doing more research on HCG. Few days later, guy shows up with some A50 (scarily convenient huh?). So I read more on here about using HCG while ON CYCLE to prevent such a hard crash in HPTA levels. The plan was to do 10cc's per week, with the injection coming every Monday. With this I planned to do two weeks of A50 at one tab a day for 14 straight days. Then take ten days off and do 12 more (again, a tip I read here, as it could prevent a complete shutdown of the HPTA thus helping with a crash). Even though I never felt as if i crashed too hard on my previous short cycles, I figured this couldnt hurt anything.
Now I know for a fact that the HCG was real, because it still had the scrip info on the syringe baggie, plus the Doctors office t was from was about ten miles from my house. The A50 also "seemed" legit because it looked exactly like what I had last December. Now as I said before, this is the end of day two. I took ten cc's into my belly fat yesterday evening, and a tab that morning. I also had my tab at the same time this morning. It's now 11:40pm and I swear I'm going crazy.... Because my nipples already look a little puffy. When I push on the left one, it gives a little pain. Now as I've already said, Anadrol was all the guy had. No Nolva, no Clomid.. Nothing.
So here's where I need help. Am I nuts!? Can Gyno set in this quickly? I've read everything on HCG I could find and don't see anything that sticks out about causing this. Could the A50 have done it that fast?? Is there anything over the counter even remotely good enough to counteract this? I am 99.9 percent certain that it wasn't this fast last time. Is there any way I Had estrogen still dormant in my body and this just flared it right back up?? The stuff I read doesn't give me a solid enough answer (probly because nobody has ever done any stupid shit like this before.) I was aware that most people won't start any gear without the proper backup equipment, but based on my previous (albeit very stupid) experience, i didn't think I'd run into any trouble.
So please help me here fellas. Should I stop the A50 altogether? Am I batshit crazy? Or can I combat it with over the counter estrogen blockers? Any and all info is appreciated, but if anyone has had a Somewhat similar experience, I'd love to hear from you because I'm about to pull my friggin' hair out.
By the way guys, nice to meet you all. And I know I'm gonna get bitched at for being a total jackass who makes decisions despite knowing what could happen, so try not to kick me too hard while I'm down. And please make haste before I end up squeezing juice outta my bitch tits