With a 10.5 day half life why would you need to inject every three or four days? You wouldn’t. If he is using quality gear, he should not be having any injection pain other than the first and second IM. There is no need to stick himself double for the same effect. I like and respect you T in DC, you know that, but to say (or think) that because ester A has Y carbon atoms and will therefore have a halflife of Z days, and will affect EVERYONE in the same way re: blood levels, is a little nieve(sp) to say the least. Surely as a pro trainer, you wouldn’t expect to take 10 individuals, give them the exact same training and nutrition regimens and expect them to achieve the exact same results, even if you monitored them 100% to ensure complicity. Or would you? [/quote]
Of course not. This discussion is pertaining to a newbie and his first cycle. The people before were telling him the only way to do it would be to split. Originally I was only informing him of the option to inject once a week. Here on a board is not an in person basis, or even a case by case basis because none of us are fully aware of the particulars in the situation. We’re forced to speak generally. And in general, I find 1x a week for Test E works perfectly fine. I’m speaking from my own personal viewpoint, and that should be easily apparent to readers. Is this the only way to do it? Of course not.
On the same token, I deal with all of my clients on a 1 by 1 basis, one at a time, with all background, lifestyle, and other pertinent information to do the best that I can for that particular client. None of us have the ability to do this for a poster here on T-Nation. Asking me if the same workout for everybody is like asking me if Chicken Little was correct, we all know the answer to these things. But on an internet board, we are all limited to general answers.
[quote]I think many of you are repeating what you’ve read and doing what you do without learning more or thinking for yourselves. 10.5 > 3 As I understand it, you have maybe 1 or 2 cycles under your belt. I’m not flaming you, but perhaps if you got some more real-world experience, instead of relying soley on what YOU have read…
I’m in no position to rival your knowledge or experience in any way. I also say this up front, that I am by no means an expert. Even so, in my opinion for this new user, I think injecting 2x a week will just be compounding risk. For an experienced user, they have less risk of making a mistake and hurting themselves than a newer user.
[quote]There will not be a big difference in gains or stability of blood levels. All there will be, is more chance for hurting himself with more injections and more wasted pins, swabs, and time injecting 1 cc 2x a week instead of 2cc 1x a week. I disagree strongly with this statement. Of course, you might be right, but I think supplying the OP with ‘absolute’ statements such as this, could really compromise the efficacy of his cycle. He needs to experiment with injection frequency, and really listen to his body, to know what is optimum for him
As far as cyp goes, some believe the difference in half life is as little as 8 - 12 hours. Therefore if Cyp is okay 1x a week, so is enanthate.
As I said at the start, I like and respect you. You are intelligent and I know you have researched steroids, after all, we have shared many PMs, however I felt the need to point out some possible errors in your thinking here… Peace :)[/quote]
There are potential errors, yes. But there are potential errors in everything, because there is no guarantee from person to person. Each of us is different, and with that said, all advice given by any of us has to be more general. There is no way myself, or yourself, or any one for that matter, can know through the internet how something will work for someone. The OP himself may make up his own mind to dose whatever he wants, however he wants, regardless of what any of us will say.
I didn’t feel it was an absolute statement of fact, more just an expression of my personal opinion, which I stand by. And I respect your opinion on the matter and your dedication to improving everyone’s knowledge about the subject matter. I will keep learning from you and others for a while.
Just for clarity, had I added “In my opinion” before this statement;
“There will not be a big difference in gains or stability of blood levels. All there will be, is more chance for hurting himself with more injections and more wasted pins, swabs, and time injecting 1 cc 2x a week instead of 2cc 1x a week”
Would this discussion still have taken place?