[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]00thomi wrote:
The first thing to remember here are that all of these tests have an inherent degree of inaccuracy, so a value lying just outwith the “normal range” is not necessarily abnormal. This is also related to how figures for the normal range are determined. I do not have the figures to hand, but it normally works like this: a hundred people are selected, and the spread of their values is plotted out, which should reveal a normal distribution. The extremes of measurements are knocked off the end, and the resultant figures should relate to around 95% of the population in health. One thing you might notice is that if you went to a doctor or hospital in another area, the normal ranges might appear different - this just represents a slightly different population selected as normal. As far as your lipids are concerned, no real problems there - you don’t want to try to increase your LDL cholesterol just to fit into “normal”. Cortisol is a stress hormone, so can be influenced by a variety of external and internal stresses (that is why there is such a huge range) - it appears “normal” so no worries there. The oestrogen thing comes down to what I said about test values etc, so isn’t really something to worry about. Besides, prescription anti-oestrogen medication is expensive, and not without undesirable side effects. In other words, your doctor is right, he just might not know why. Best way forward is to continue with what you are doing and enjoy that fact that there is nothing wrong! All the best.[/quote]
You have no idea what you are talking about from a health optimiziation standpoint–are you a doctor? Because you sure sound like a standard endo who only keeps patients from dying in his office.
Do you think if you take 100 people, 95 of those people are going to be at optimal health? I’d love to see the area where you find that sort of population–sign me up to move there.
If he is feeling side effects form too high of estrogen, then his estrogen is too high!!! The fact that is is OVER the normal range should be worrisome. Unfortunately for OP, I think getting Adex in Australia is akin to pulling teeth from a slumbering grizzly bear. If someone has evidence to the contrary, I haven’t seen it on this board.
Cholesterol being too low can also cause issues–but of course you don’t realize that because you have been brainwashed by Big Pharma pushing their lipid lowering statins onto the market. Did you know that these drug makers successfully petitioned all major labs to set their cholesterol set point to a standardized number? That means that for cholesterol, the ranges do not indicate a normal population distribution–it hsa been set by drug companies who use studies they have funded that shows that should be the limit. In the US, I rarely even see a “TOO LOW” range for lipids–that should show you how great their influence is.
Cholesterol is required to produce hormones–if its too low, it doesnt take a genius to realize that hormones might have trouble being produced.
That being said, it looks like DHEA is good and cortisol appears good too. To me, this indicates that he is incredibly efficient at converting hormones from raw cholesterol. But the low CHOL values also indicate that his body is fighting his current “good” hormone levels (whether it be test, cortisol, thyroid, etc.). The dumping of T to E2 is further proof of this.
Something is out of whack. I would look at liver clearance issues with the E2, as well as thyroid.
OP: Did you get a thyroid panel done? And most importantly: WHAT ARE YOUR SYMPTOMS? Why did you go to the doctor in the first place? If your erections are fine, you are able to concentrate, you see results in the gym, and you aren’t feeling ill, then there’s nothing to see here. Monitor your hormones yearly if possible, but don’t try to fix something that ain’t broke.[/quote]
Basically the reasons I got the test done are:
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I’ve been an overweight slob since I was a teenager and never seen a doctor for anything other than the occasional cold/flu. I wanted to know about my insulin tolerance and liver/kidney function as well as hormone levels.
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My fat has always accumulated at my hips and breast area. I never considered gyne because I thought guys with gyne actually had swollen, enlarged glands behind their nipples whereas I just have a bit of fat. I thought it would go away as I lost bodyfat(it has been actually). More recently I have heard gyne described as just fat accumulation at the breast area so this concerned me.
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I am gaining strength but I feel tired a lot of the time and tend to skip cardio often. Sex drive is probably a bit below ‘average’ but I don’t have erectile problems though.
RE Thyroid Function results:
TSH: 0.81 mU/L - ‘normal’ range 0.40-3.50
From my understanding and reading mens’ estrogen levels have been rising so dramatically over the last 50 years that some scientists are prediciting mass infertility in the general male population. This is also why I don’t consider the ‘normal’ estrogen level to be normal at all. I’m aware that estrogen is an important hormone for men as well as women and is closely related to calcium absorbtion and therefore bone density amongst other things. I would just like to lower mine to reasonable levels. I’m going to see an endo but I’m sceptical about whether he will help me lower it. And as I said, I’m already doing everything that I know of to lower it naturally.