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Help, Can't Digest Whey

I need a little help. I can not digest calcium supplements (including whey). After browsing the internet and this site for a half hour, I could not find any helpful information into solving my problem. I just recently bought some rice protein powder, but I do not know what to mix it with to make a shake. If you guys could offer me any insight for idea, it would be much appreciated. Thanks for your help.

[quote]Brendan B wrote:
I need a little help. I can not digest calcium supplements (including whey). After browsing the internet and this site for a half hour, I could not find any helpful information into solving my problem. I just recently bought some rice protein, but I do not know what to mix it with to make a shake. If you guys could offer me any insight for idea, it would be much appreciated. Thanks for you help.[/quote]

Why can’t you digest calcium and are you ready for osteoporosis?

Hey there! Are you lactose intolerant? Any who, if rice protein is all you can get, then it will have to do I guess. You could mix it with water, or maybe some kind of juice. Maybe if you gave more insight of what your condition is, then we would be better able to understand and respond accordingly.

Also, since whey shakes are out of the question, base your protein intake with whole food, such as meat, eggs, oatmeal, veggies, and other wholesome food.

Hope this helped! If you have any other questions, just post, and Myself, and other T-Nation members would be glad to help

The rice protein is not a complete protein source, youu will need to be taking in a nice dose of beans to complete that bad boy.

I agree with both the above.

  1. Are you are its the calcium you have probs with and not Lactose. If lastose try lactaid or similar.

2)Base your protein on things that can move under there own power and eggs. Fish, cow, poultry, pig, dog, cat, horse. LOL
If it has, had, or will get a tail it is a complete protien.

Hope that helps.
Phill

For a PWO shake, use egg protein and add malto and dex. What is your condition that you can’t have calcium?

I am allergic to calcium, and it has given me ulcers in the past.

[quote]Brendan B wrote:
I am allergic to calcium, and it has given me ulcers in the past.[/quote]

Have you seen a doctor and/or nutritionist about this? Calicum is important. It doesn’t have to come from dairy sources.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Brendan B wrote:
I am allergic to calcium, and it has given me ulcers in the past.

Have you seen a doctor and/or nutritionist about this? Calicum is important. It doesn’t have to come from dairy sources.[/quote]

Exactly. He is allergic to his own skeleton.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Why can’t you digest calcium and are you ready for osteoporosis?[/quote]

Haha, very funny. I have seen a doctor on this, and he has indicated that the consumption of calcium, for me, dramatically affects the amount of hydrochloric acid that is produced in my stomach. There is an extremely delicate balance, and altering this balance causes there to be a higher concentration of HCL. With a higher concentration, as you would imagine its much more potent, and it can start eating away at my stomach lining.

I have been taking calcium from other sources such as vegetables but I still have to be very careful. With my food alone, I have been digesting between 300g-340g of protein a day. I am 5’10", and roughly 160lbs.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Brendan B wrote:
I am allergic to calcium, and it has given me ulcers in the past.

Have you seen a doctor and/or nutritionist about this? Calicum is important. It doesn’t have to come from dairy sources.

Exactly. He is allergic to his own skeleton.[/quote]

hahaha!

[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Why can’t you digest calcium and are you ready for osteoporosis?

Haha, very funny. I have seen a doctor on this, and he has indicated that the consumption of calcium, for me, dramatically affects the amount of hydrochloric acid that is produced in my stomach. There is an extremely delicate balance, and altering this balance causes there to be a higher concentration of HCL. With a higher concentration, as you would imagine its much more potent, and it can start eating away at my stomach lining.

I have been taking calcium from other sources such as vegetables but I still have to be very careful. With my food alone, I have been digesting between 300g-340g of protein a day. I am 5’10", and roughly 160lbs. [/quote]

Well…I suppose you have to work with what you’ve got. Check the calcium content of egg protein. I’d bet it’s pretty low but you’ll have to see.

Please get a second opinion.

Also, if you have been farting and getting the runny shits more then often in a day, that seems to be pretty common. I myself am somewhat lactose Intolerant and fart rediculously in a day.

This sounds really estrogen of me to say, but try digestive supplements like Papaya Enzymes or Noni, or even Apple Cider Vinegar or something to help your GI. I tried it and it helped the gas and bloating tremendously. I returned to normal BM schedual and if you have a weak stomach, mix protein with Water instead of milk, just to ease your digestion a little more.

Hope that helps.

what do you need whey for ?

It?s funny seeing people ridiculing/doubting your condition. Ca does stimulate overproduction of HCl and especially in people where regulation of HCl is already faulty and are hence prone to heart burn/ stomach ulcers. That?s why they old school remedy of milk is actually counterproductive, because whilst it?s a weak alkali and thus logically may counteract over acidity, it contains Ca which just makes the situation worse.

This is odd indeed. Definitely get a second opinion. I have never heard of an allergy to calcium, although I graduated over ten years ago. So this may be a new problem in today’s world.

An allergy is caused by a whole food protein or other large molecule that enters your blood stream and causes an immunologic response. Highly unlikely with calcium.

Ninety-one percent of food allergies are caused by nuts, eggs, milk, and soy. Caused by proteins in these foods. Not calcium.

It you are having trouble with dairy foods (still the best source of calcium), and as mentioned above, add dietary enzymes to your diet. Lactaid. Fast Food Enzymes. Beano. They all work for a variety of foods. Lactaid, of course, is for lactose intolerance. Not milk allergies. No enzymes are going to help with allergies. But I don’t think that is your problem. See an allergy specialist.

And on a side note, whey is not a calcium supplement. Unless you have a true milk protein allergy, Fast Food Enzymes will help you digest whey protein.

[quote]Phill wrote:
2)Base your protein on things that can move under there own power and eggs. Fish, cow, poultry, pig, dog, cat, horse. LOL
If it has, had, or will get a tail it is a complete protien.

Phill[/quote]

That’s pretty funny. I’ve never thought of it this way before. You forgot beaver.

[quote]Brendan B wrote:
I have been taking calcium from other sources such as vegetables but I still have to be very careful. With my food alone, I have been digesting between 300g-340g of protein a day. I am 5’10", and roughly 160lbs. [/quote]

Don’t bother arguing with the Prof, he doesn’t want to believe details about how the body works.

Have you asked your doctor about taking enzymes or what have you to balance out the calcium? Or I guess more accurately, a dietitian specializing in food therapy? Although I don’t know of any offhand, there might be ways to get around excessive HCl production that way.

Also, what form of calcium were you taking? Calcium carbonate? A friend of mine close to earning his degree as a pharmacist has mentioned to me that that form tends to cause the most problems - calcium citrate often does not. If there’s no balancing option, though, well, best wishes in staying healthy. You don’t need whey to be strong. Just have a solid meal about 45 minutes after lifting.

-Dan

Stomach acid has a difficult time breaking up some calcium supplements, because the tablets (or whatever) are so tightly compressed. This may be leading to the excess stomach acid production (if that is the case). That’s why chewing calcium carbonate (like Tums) with food is usually a good alternative.

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Brendan B wrote:
I have been taking calcium from other sources such as vegetables but I still have to be very careful. With my food alone, I have been digesting between 300g-340g of protein a day. I am 5’10", and roughly 160lbs.

Don’t bother arguing with the Prof, he doesn’t want to believe details about how the body works.[/quote]

Is your plan to now go from post to post and make up bullshit? I understand his problem and, even though I made light of it, the problem he has with stomach acid may be very real. I never stated otherwise…making your post here a wasted attempt to start shit.

I do agree that he should probably look into a second opinion. Ulcers are fairly common and getting one doesn’t necessarily mean a lifelong problem has to be diagnosed.

I will also add that if he is actually getting over 300gr of protein that easily (something that is difficult for me at times and I outweigh him by over 100lbs) then there doesn’t seem to be much of a problem.

[quote]bikemike wrote:
Stomach acid has a difficult time breaking up some calcium supplements, because the tablets (or whatever) are so tightly compressed. This may be leading to the excess stomach acid production (if that is the case). That’s why chewing calcium carbonate (like Tums) with food is usually a good alternative.
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I agree with this and would also run this by your doctor if it hasn’t been done already.