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Height Growth

My doctor (endocrinologist) had me do a Bone Age X-ray since I told him I would like my final height to be around 183-187cm. Im now 179cm and 18yo. If my bones havent still achieved maturity what is the most common procedure? And can you give me some tips on what I could mention to him?

You know how MOST doctors are now a days. They have some distorted notions that come pretty close to what my grandfather thinks on some subjects (he is not a doctor).

Ive read studies of GH and GH + oxandrolone helping increase the predicted height up to 5cm.
Im sure he wont prescribe me any dose of Oxan.

Ive also read studies on how AIs if administered in prepubertal kids can also increase the predicted height since estrogen is directly related to the closure of epiphyseal plates. If you are curious about it the study had a length of 3years with arimidex @ 1mg/day. But I think this procedure is not applicable to me anymore.

Any tips on things I should mention to him would be greatly appreciated.

If it were me, I’d do it. I wish I had GH back when I was your age.

GH and estrogen management with an AI is all you need.

There isn’t ALOT of options in that area.

Var isn’t needed, or even helpful, completely unrelated. And if anything you could cause estrogen fluctuations with it that would do ALOT of harm.

If you can get a PRESCRIPTION for GH and Adex (probably isn’t going to use letro) then take it, that is a gold mine right there for an 18 year old.

It can only do good in terms of not only height but also physical development.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
GH and estrogen management with an AI is all you need.

There isn’t ALOT of options in that area.

Var isn’t needed, or even helpful, completely unrelated. And if anything you could cause estrogen fluctuations with it that would do ALOT of harm.

If you can get a PRESCRIPTION for GH and Adex (probably isn’t going to use letro) then take it, that is a gold mine right there for an 18 year old.

It can only do good in terms of not only height but also physical development.
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Var actually is helpfull.

"Final height in girls with central idiopathic precocious puberty treated with gonadotropin-releasing hormone analog and oxandrolone.

CONCLUSIONS: Combined GnRHa and Ox therapy is a viable treatment option for children with CPP and marked growth deceleration during treatment with GnRHa alone."

Do you really think the AI could help, even at my age? I think it is a treatment used only used for prepubertal kids to manage estrogen during the linear growth phase that occurs, if im not mistaken, before the kids get into puberty.

Hope you are right.

Do you know the exact mechanism by which GH works in order to increase predicted height?
And has this type of treatment become more common in the lasts years or I can still expect some reluctance from his part?

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lol hell look at me, I’m 168 and would kill to be 179! lol

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Velas wrote:
I would like my final height to be around 183-187cm. And what makes you think you have any genetic legacy to attain this? Or is it just greed, lol? How tall are your parents? [/quote]

My father is 187cm and mother 174. Every one in my family is tall.

To wait? Im not doing this because I want to rush my growth. Its because I want my final height to be higher. If I wait any longer there will be nothing I can do.

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TBH if your Dr prescribes anything, I’ll be damned surprised. Just because you want to be taller, doesn’t really justify him prescribing drugs which might have wider effects on your body, however unlikely. 179 is not small enough to justify treatment IMO.

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My bone age is 2 years above my actual age, that might signify that I wont grow much more.

All the men in my family are above 180, even the ones younger than me. I dont consider 179 tall.

What do you mean by “wider effects on your body”?

Just another point of view(dont want to start a discussion about it): Just because you want to be more muscular and have a better appearance does it not justify you taking measures to achieve it?

The judgment of whats tall enough, small enough or muscular enough are all relative. If you are 190 you can say Im small enough and I dont take average men height as a parameter but instead my family height.

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I kept growing until I was about 21, for which most people do. My height levelled off around age 18/19, but my arm lengths and clavicles got longer giving me a bit more width.

I grew another three inches between 18 and 21 years of age. Dennis Rodman grew 10 inches in college. Most males (I’m assuming you are) grow until 20 or 21 years. Wait

And as a general rule of thumb for anyone under 22-23…don’t fuck with your endocrine system.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

I hate to break it to you, but just because YOU want a cosmetic change to your body, does not mean that a Dr is going to pander to your desire and givr you expensive, possibly damaging drugs to do so.

I suspect the only option will be to self-medicate, and unlike one guy here who did that at your age, you display a serious lack of knowledge about the drugs in question, so whereas I advised him, I wouldn’t advise you.

Finally, you are absolutely correct that the desire to have more/harder/fuller muscles and the desire to be taller are equitable. Let me ask you this: how many people ask their Dr to give them steroids because they want to be bigger/stronger/faster and how many of these do you think actually get what they want from their Dr?

None? A very few? Less than 0.01% I would wager.

Drs simply cannot justify the use of GH/AAS when there is no real need. Being bigger or taller, when you are not medically undersized or of short stature (dwarvism) is not a health concern.

Good luck,
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You managed to turn it into a very “superficial desire” but its actually not, given the circumstances.

About the drugs being “expensive” I think thats not a point.

“Possibly damaging”. The use of antibiotics to treat a simple tonsillitis can be possibly damaging, or any other medication. Thats why he went to a specialist, he wont just give him what he asks and thats it.

I assure you that his first concern is my health and he wouldnt do something that is not worth the risks, not only because of me but also because of his career and the damage it would do to it.

I think that the “desire to have more/harder/fuller muscles and the desire to be taller” are equitable only for this example. But not from a Doctors perspective.

Steroids are not the only way to become “bigger/stronger/faster”, but in My case the use of drugs are the only way for me to achieve the height I want. And you can become “bigger/faster/stronger” at any point of your life, naturally, for height thats not the case.

And about the same example: you picked steroids because they relate to my case in that both will change ones appearance, but that “protocol” of “Less than 0.01%” getting what they want from their doctor would also be true for pain killers, anti-depressant or any other drug that is often abused.

Is not a physical health concern but in can be a matter of metal health concern.

And thanks for wishing me Good Luck.

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(By: Velas. He couldnt post and pm`d me the text) Dont get use to it or Ill start charging. :wink:

You think six feet isn’t tall enough?

Fuck you.

Well to each his own!!! But I think 6’ would be a perfect height, not too tall not too short. I am 5’9" and would look like a real puss if I was 190ish at 6’. So in my opinion maybe you should first find out or wait for your genitic limit then use what ever you need to make yourself feel better.

You are talking about height and not DICK size???

[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
You think six feet isn’t tall enough?

Fuck you.[/quote]

You demonstrate to be an ignorant person judging by your post.

If one does not think the same way you do or doesnt agree with you, you tell them to go “fuck themselves”, you clearly are an imbecile.

If you had at least read what I posted before you’d see that tall enough, small enough, or muscular enough are concepts that you get compared to something. That reinforces what I previously said about you.

If you had taken your time to check what 6ft is in cm you would have given more consistency to your post and could have passed as something a little better than the total idiot that you are.

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(By: Velas. He couldnt post and pm`d me the text) Dont get use to it or Ill start charging. ;)[/quote]

Thanks, probably a suspension of privilege.

I think that genetic destiny for height is not so much a mechanism that directly affects bone growth, but is more of a destiny of testosterone and estrogen levels that limit bone growth. This may also be mediated by a tendency for some to gain fat which increases T–>E aromatization. So yes, these hormone levels can be manipulated.

My buddy was a buck 30 and 5’5" when he got out of highschool and entered the military…

He’s now 6ft and around 220 and solid…

He grew an insane amount from 17-22, but mostly during years 21-22…

Personally I think growth is tied somewhat to nutrition… I was really, really sick during my prime growing years and could barely get dry toast into me… My nutrition was pretty much non-existent…

The end result for me, is I’m 5’7" (or 5’6" depending on how I’m actually measured), which is also why I have the name I use here…

I’m by far the shortest in my family for males…

So I made up for it by developing my body, as I can’t grow any more (unless I’m put on the rack), and am 185lbs…

But would I like to be a few inches taller? You bet…

To the OP, what’s your nutrition like? Are you eating 5-6 meals a day of quality nutrition at the moment?

[quote]KSman wrote:
I think that genetic destiny for height is not so much a mechanism that directly affects bone growth, but is more of a destiny of testosterone and estrogen levels that limit bone growth. [/quote]

If this is true a taller guy will ALWAYS have more T and/or less T>E than a smaller guy, correct me if I dont get your way of thinking.

I don’t know anything about steroids, but I will chime in anyway.

My Dad is 6’3" and mom is 5’10". I was 6’ when i was 18, 6’1" at 21, and for some reason shot up to 6’2" the summer after my 22nd birthday. It was a bitch, all my shirts suddenly got too short.

My point being,
At 18 years old you might want to just wait and see if you get any taller, without any pharmaceutical aid.

As a side note, being over 6’ is kind of a pain in the ass and hasn’t yet proven to be beneficial anywhere. (I suck at sports) Harder to buy clothes that fit right and my dream car, Lotus Exige, will always remain a dream.

[quote]Smallfry69 wrote:
He grew an insane amount from 17-22, but mostly during years 21-22… [/quote]

I agree with this.

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I’m by far the shortest in my family for males…

But would I like to be a few inches taller? You bet… [/quote]

So I assume you relate to my cause. And Im sure if you were in my position you would do something about it right? Specially if you could do it with medical assistance.

Yes. 6 to 7 meals a day.