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Health Bill Deemed Into Existance

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/16/house.health.care/index.html?hpt=T2

What.The.FUCK…

I know it’s desperation, but if this thing passes this way…Damn I don’t even know what to say about that except it’s big time bullshit…

[quote]pat wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/16/house.health.care/index.html?hpt=T2

What.The.FUCK…

I know it’s desperation, but if this thing passes this way…Damn I don’t even know what to say about that except it’s big time bullshit…[/quote]
There’s already a thread about this =]

[quote]pat wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/16/house.health.care/index.html?hpt=T2

What.The.FUCK…

I know it’s desperation, but if this thing passes this way…Damn I don’t even know what to say about that except it’s big time bullshit…[/quote]

Pat,

It makes me so angry, it’s hard to express. The implications are jaw-dropping. For instance, radical leftists could “deem” a bill worthy of passage. Think about it. If this goes through, think about the future.

However, I just have a feeling this gets fast-tracked to SCOTUS. obama’s bs at the State of the Union would then come back to haunt him.

JeffR

Aaaarrrrgghhhhh. I DESPISE Congress. Fuckin douches

[quote]Jeff R wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/16/house.health.care/index.html?hpt=T2

What.The.FUCK…

I know it’s desperation, but if this thing passes this way…Damn I don’t even know what to say about that except it’s big time bullshit…[/quote]

Pat,

It makes me so angry, it’s hard to express. The implications are jaw-dropping. For instance, radical leftists could “deem” a bill worthy of passage. Think about it. If this goes through, think about the future.

However, I just have a feeling this gets fast-tracked to SCOTUS. obama’s bs at the State of the Union would then come back to haunt him.

JeffR[/quote]

And he made an enemy of the SCOTUS…moron.
However, I did not pick up on it before… Bill Roberts already made a thread on this, so we should comment there. I did not pick up on it.

Goddam, son of a bitch, cock-sucking, mother fucking, ass-fisting, minchia tu cazzo che non finisce mai, va te ne vafanculo il fine del mondo guarda. Quanti bastardi che ci sono disgraziati, questi imbecille che non sapere cazzo . Cazzo vi dico!

Don’t stress guys, there is already talk of how this is unconstitutional and it would msot likely scuttle the whole bill. There are two legal precedents where the Supreme Court has ruled on this in lessor situations.

I’d like to see them try that way. And pass it, and then have the Supreme Court rule it unconstitutional.

^^What he said.^^

Edit:God Fucking Damnit. Now it’s two above.

Quoting from an article ( http://www.rightsidenews.com/200912207858/politics-and-economics/analysis-of-the-senate-democrats-health-care-bill.html ), as the author summed it up better than I can:

"The Senate bill’s complex and sweeping provisions would affect virtually every aspect of the huge health care sector of the U.S. economy.

"Like the House bill, it would transfer massive regulatory authority from the states to the federal government and make enormous changes in the nation’s health insurance markets;

"It would dramatically alter the financing and content of employer-provided and individual health insurance and significantly change Medicare and Medicaid;

"It would change how hospitals, doctors, and other medical professionals are paid and how physicians and other medical professionals deliver care; and

"It would impose controversial and unprecedented mandates on businesses and individuals, including an individual mandate to buy insurance, thus restricting the personal and economic freedom of American citizens.

“In effect, the Senate bill would produce the greatest concentration of political and economic power over one major sector of the U.S. economy in the nation’s history.”

So… you want that to pass, because you’re betting that the wise Latina woman and various others will rule it all, in the entirety, unconstitutional and that would be so much better than having it not pass that it’s worth the risk and the damage in the meantime?

For example, keep in mind that Bush considered McCain-Feingold to be unconstitutional but signed it anyway as he figured the Supreme Court would throw it out.

Instead some challenged parts of it were upheld fairly shortly after passing, and only after 7 years since passage were any of the its struck down. Most still remain. Just as an example of banking on the Supreme Court to provide swift and complete remedy.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Goddam, son of a bitch, cock-sucking, mother fucking, ass-fisting, minchia tu cazzo che non finisce mai, va te ne vafanculo il fine del mondo guarda. Quanti bastardi che ci sono disgraziati, questi imbecille che non sapere cazzo . Cazzo vi dico! [/quote]

You are of Italian decent I presume? I love it.
I worked in Milano for a spell, Italy forever has a special place in my heart.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Quoting from an article ( http://www.rightsidenews.com/200912207858/politics-and-economics/analysis-of-the-senate-democrats-health-care-bill.html ), as the author summed it up better than I can:

"The Senate bill’s complex and sweeping provisions would affect virtually every aspect of the huge health care sector of the U.S. economy.

"Like the House bill, it would transfer massive regulatory authority from the states to the federal government and make enormous changes in the nation’s health insurance markets;

"It would dramatically alter the financing and content of employer-provided and individual health insurance and significantly change Medicare and Medicaid;

"It would change how hospitals, doctors, and other medical professionals are paid and how physicians and other medical professionals deliver care; and

"It would impose controversial and unprecedented mandates on businesses and individuals, including an individual mandate to buy insurance, thus restricting the personal and economic freedom of American citizens.

“In effect, the Senate bill would produce the greatest concentration of political and economic power over one major sector of the U.S. economy in the nation’s history.”

So… you want that to pass, because you’re betting that the wise Latina woman and various others will rule it all, in the entirety, unconstitutional and that would be so much better than having it not pass that it’s worth the risk and the damage in the meantime?

For example, keep in mind that Bush considered McCain-Feingold to be unconstitutional but signed it anyway as he figured the Supreme Court would throw it out.

Instead some challenged parts of it were upheld fairly shortly after passing, and only after 7 years since passage were any of the its struck down. Most still remain. Just as an example of banking on the Supreme Court to provide swift and complete remedy.[/quote]

no bill , I don’t want it to pass at all because of the reasons you stated, but I do think it would end up in the Supreme Court very quickly and would not be ruled constitutional. not based on content, which I believe much is. but due to the process of passing a law.

It’s clearly spelled out how to do this. both houses must vote on the exact bill, verbatim. Yes, I can be wrong, but I don’t see how it would pass any muster due to the process.

But it’s better to have it defeated now.

Kucinich rolled over, at least that what the Fox News ticker says as of this morning. I can’t even imagine what whorish prostitution occurred on Air Force One at 30,000 ft. What sweet heart deal did he get to flip?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Kucinich rolled over, at least that what the Fox News ticker says as of this morning. I can’t even imagine what whorish prostitution occurred on Air Force One at 30,000 ft. What sweet heart deal did he get to flip?[/quote]

Well 5 more came out today against this bill.

Yep, either way we win. If they pull the not vote it scam, there will be repercussions. Especially with Barry’s pet project being ruled unconstitutional. And losing this vote will show the democrats to be about as useful as those blackheads on my back that I can’t reach.

showing true colors is a good thing. These guys weren’t hope and change. They’re every liberal stereotype I’ve heard. Tax and spend, knee jerk, limousine come to mind.

How about some of the Hispanic caucus members upset that illegals can’t purchase these plans? Do these guys represent their citizens, or do they represent their ethnicity. sounds almost treasonous to me.

But what do you expect from some Marxist/socialists?

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Kucinich rolled over, at least that what the Fox News ticker says as of this morning. I can’t even imagine what whorish prostitution occurred on Air Force One at 30,000 ft. What sweet heart deal did he get to flip?[/quote]

Well 5 more came out today against this bill. [/quote]

I want this thing dead, like Corey Haim. I want Obama, Reid, and Pelosi to stress, like Tiger Woods in divorce court.

Some juicy items:

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a ‘National ID Health card’ will be issued! (Papers please!)

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)

Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the ‘Exchange.’
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans – The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)

Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn’t get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)

Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn’t provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin… will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records. (I guess so they can ‘deduct’ their fees)

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” (Yes, it really says that!) ( a ‘fee’ instead)

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn’t matter what specialty you have trained yourself in – you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that’s not Socialism!)

Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor’s time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for “private” HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e…re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission – the Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want – rationing.)

Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)

Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of ‘special needs people!’ Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a “Tele-Health Advisory Committee.” (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it’s mandatory!)

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced-care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans… (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order… (I wouldn’t want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again – no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

No comments?

I’ve been reading some of those sections for the last 2 hours and I can’t make heads or tails out of what the hell most of any that shit even means except that they do mention the things you quote which is scary enough.

I did a pdf scan and there are exactly 3769 instances of the word shall in 2310 pages.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
No comments?[/quote]

I’m speechless

I put it up here if you’re up for some torture:

http://gregnmary.gotdns.com:8080/index.php/topic,185.new.html#new

I also embedded the direct link to the file below if you don’t have a browser based pdf plugin.

As I usually do I recommend any pfd reader other than that bloated beast acrobat.