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Too many people spend too much time criticizing and ridiculing others…instead of looking in the mirror…

Mufasa

What were you trying to link to?

The article about the Venus statue restoration.

Just kidding. The evangelical accused of gayness.

Evangelical Leader Hit With Sex Claims

By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer
2 hours ago

The leader of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of the drive for same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man in monthly trysts over the past three years.

The Rev. Ted Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could “not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations.”

The investigation came after a 49-year-old man told a Denver radio station that Haggard paid him to have sex.

Haggard, a married father of five, denied the allegations in an interview with KUSA-TV late Wednesday: “Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife.”

In a written statement, Haggard said: “I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date. In the interim, I will seek both spiritual advice and guidance.”

Haggard, a 1978 graduate of Oral Roberts University, was appointed president of the association in March 2003 and has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation.

He has participated in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement.

The allegations come as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.

Mike Jones, 49, of Denver told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

“It made me angry that here’s someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex,” said Jones, who added that he isn’t working for any political group.

Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years.

Jones said that he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.

He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.

Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash, though he declined to make any of it available to the AP.

“There’s some stuff on there (the voice mails) that’s pretty damning,” he said.

Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church and the pastor’s niece, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. The board has the authority to discipline Haggard, including removing him from ministry work.

“This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we’re prepared,” Carolyn Haggard said. “The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. That’s a priority.”

Richard Cizik, vice president for government affairs for the evangelicals association, expressed shock.

“Is this something I can imagine of Ted Haggard? No,” he said.

whatever. the focus of that article should be on mike jones who ratted out his own customer to make himself feel better about his own problems. i mean the guy got PAID and he still ratted. losers like this, who don’t understand quality relationships, are fucking up our country way more than some guy who’s getting some on the side and keeping his shit together.

swivel:

PLEASE tell me you’re being sarcastic…

(…please…:(- !)

Mufasa

Not to split hairs or anything, but was your chosen title for this thread an allusion to the saying “those who live in glass houses should not throw stones”, or to the statement attributed to Jesus, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”?

I suppose either would work, but the second seems more appropriate, in this case.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to split hairs or anything, but was your chosen title for this thread an allusion to the saying “those who live in glass houses should not throw stones”, or to the statement attributed to Jesus, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”?

I suppose either would work, but the second seems more appropriate, in this case.[/quote]

The point is it’s all fun and games until somebody gets stoned and pokes his eye out with a penis.

Also, Swivel is right. What’s the nation coming to if you can’t tweak up and have a guy fuck you in the ass for money, then pay him to keep him mouth shut? How are all the headhunters of the world going to get anything done, looking over their shoulders? And let’s face it, it’s hard to look over your shoulder when someone’s got a leash on you and keeps yelling, “Don’t you fucking look at me, bitch!”

[quote]futuredave wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Not to split hairs or anything, but was your chosen title for this thread an allusion to the saying “those who live in glass houses should not throw stones”, or to the statement attributed to Jesus, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”?

I suppose either would work, but the second seems more appropriate, in this case.

The point is it’s all fun and games until somebody gets stoned and pokes his eye out with a penis.

Also, Swivel is right. What’s the nation coming to if you can’t tweak up and have a guy fuck you in the ass for money, then pay him to keep him mouth shut? How are all the headhunters of the world going to get anything done, looking over their shoulders? And let’s face it, it’s hard to look over your shoulder when someone’s got a leash on you and keeps yelling, “Don’t you fucking look at me, bitch!”[/quote]

Damn right!

Hoover would have never had the time to get anything done!

LOL!

You guys are NUTS!

Agree…do what you want; BUT…

It’s just a strange part of human nature, isn’t it?

Often (certainly not always), it seem that the more someone seems to “Crusade” against something, the more likely it is that they are fighting their own inner “demons”?

Mufasa

Wow…

I just saw the official Church Spokesman on T.V.

He certainly seemed a little “light in the loafers” with his mannerisms.

Oh well…

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Often (certainly not always), it seem that the more someone seems to “Crusade” against something, the more likely it is that they are fighting their own inner “demons”?
[/quote]

Reaction formation.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Wow…

I just saw the official Church Spokesman on T.V.

He certainly seemed a little “light in the loafers” with his mannerisms.

Oh well…

Mufasa[/quote]

You are criticizing and ridiculing in this very thread. The very thing you claim to despise.

Punish yourself you hypocrite!

You’re right; I made a judgement that wasn’t warranted or fair…

Mufasa

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Often (certainly not always), it seem that the more someone seems to “Crusade” against something, the more likely it is that they are fighting their own inner “demons”?

Reaction formation.[/quote]

Bingo!

This fuel the right and left wingnuttery.

It now seems that he admits to the drug use and a massage but says he didn’t do the sex part.

[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
It now seems that he admits to the drug use and a massage but says he didn’t do the sex part.[/quote]

Yeah, he just got a “massage”. Maybe he forgot about the happy ending.

Who is this guy? Is he a big deal in Colorado?

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Who is this guy? Is he a big deal in Colorado?[/quote]

“I don’t know how to put this, but I’m kind of a big deal.”

all i’m saying is the high-end male prostitute business will be feeling the effects of mr. mike loose lips jones for sometime, and that’s gotta hurt. especially through santa season.