[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
BTW, some important background to the story above is that the Israeli soldiers ran into Mary’s church after shooting a bunch of men because the Church is considered a no-harm zone, regardless of what the people entering it had done. It’s in the journal.
I’m sure you can probably find more information on this girl’s work on the internets. She passed her exams and moved out of the country.[/quote]
Some more background is that the “massacre” at Jenin has been reveaaled for years as a big fat lie:
"On 1 August 2002 a UN Report showed that the Israeli figures were right; it said that 52 Palestinians had been killed in Jenin, the majority was proven as gunmen, and former Palestinian reports about 500 civilians killed - were not true. **
(**The Report of the Secretary-General prepared pursuant to General Assembly resolution ES-10/10 - 2002 [ http://www.un.org/peace/jenin/index.html Paragraph 56] says [quote] " Fifty-two Palestinian deaths had been confirmed by the hospital in Jenin by the end of May 2002. IDF also place the death toll at approximately 52. A senior Palestinian Authority official alleged in mid-April that some 500 were killed, a figure that has not been substantiated in the light of the evidence that has emerged." [unquote] )
The exact figure of civilians out of the 52 dead was more difficult to prove. The Israelis claimed 7 Palestinian civilian casualties. The Palestinians claimed twenty, however admitted that most of their dead had been fighters and took pride in killing 23 Israeli soldiers in the battle of Jenin. Israel paid the life of these 23 soldiers for doing a surgical land operation instead of air strikes in order to save the life of Palestinian civilians who were routinely used as human shield by Palestinian gunmen***. (***Quoting the UN Report: “Much of the fighting during Operation Defensive Shield occurred in areas heavily populated by civilians, in large part because the armed Palestinian groups sought by IDF placed their combatants and installations among civilians. Palestinian groups are alleged to have widely booby-trapped civilian homes…”) "
As for the “occupation”. SORRY! Like the partitioned territory in Pakistan, Kashmir, the West Bank is disputed territory. Gaza and East Jerusalem were ILLEGALLY invaded and occupied by Egypt and Jordan respectively in 1948. THis was territory that was unquestionably Israel’s.
The Israelis took these back in back in 1967.
The only reason any part of Israel is regarded as “illegally” occupied is because the Muslims took it over years after Jews and Christians were living in the land and in Islam, once Muslims have lived anywhere, even if they stole land from their original inhabitants, it is Islamic AND THEREFORE “ILLEGALLY” “occupied”. They look at Andalusia this way at the moment too, not just Israel and not just Kashmir.
The whole world belongs to Allah, in the eyes of Muslims, and the Muslim Brotherhood is actively campaigning in America and the rest of the world to render it all Muslim territory.
The war against Israel is a jihad conducted by Arab Muslims, of which the Palestinians are a part. Jihad is being waged against the rest of the world including America by Arabic Muslims and also by non-Arabic Muslims like the Muslims in Indonesia cf Bali bombing. In Russia it’s the Chechens, China the Uighurs etc.
Limiting this battle to the Israelis vs Palestinians hardly scratches the surface of the true scope of this awful situation. [/quote]
It gets tiresome proving over and over again to political noobs that the ‘facts’ and ‘sources’ they have just googled are actually completely discredited blood libels. Next she’ll be whining about the ‘murder’ of poor little Muhammad al-Durrah or the attack on the…erm…freedom flotilla.
Oleena: just accept your limitations. You have a nice body, you’re strong but you know jack about international politics/history and you are suffering from all the misapphrensions/delusions that oil money can buy.
