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Hdrol/Dbol/Epi/Tren/Winny/Anadrol

Starting Weight: 196 lbs
Current Weight: 205 lbs
BF %: ~12% (haven’t measured in a while)
Experience: 5 years in and out of the gym.

1st 6 weeks:
M: Bi’s & Tri’s
T: Chest
W: Shoulders & Legs
R: Bi’s & Tri’s
F: Back
S: Legs

Then I figured out I could handle more.

Current:
M: Bi’s & Back
T: Chest & Tri’s
W: Shoulders & Legs
R: Bi’s & Back
F: Chest & Tri’s
S: Shoulders & Legs

I started a cycle of halodrol just out of curiosity, and it really turned into something. I initially started my cycle when I got a job and was able to afford the propoer nutrition and supplementation (as well as any emergency pct supplies, etc). At the time I started my cycle I weighed around 180 lbs. I initially lost 16 lbs of bad weight, going from a size 38 to a size 32-34.

My cycle was as follows:

6 weeks Halodrol @ 110mg/day for 6 weeks.
During these 6 weeks my weight shot up to about 197 lbs. Once my cycle was coming to an end, I decided I was going to continue it instead of doing post cycle therapy, because I wanted more gains. I’m well aware of the possible consequences, so I don’t need preached to, I just need more help with continuing the cycle.

So right now I’m running as follows:

50 mgs of dbol/day
20 mgs epistane/day
20 mgs trenavar/day

Currently at 14 days, and seeing some crazy strength, mass, and especially appetite (most important IMO) gains.

I’m going to continue this cycle until I run out of dbol, which I have about 50 days worth.

Once I finish the dbol I’m going to winny/anadrol to finish up. I’m trying to gain some serious mass off of this. I have pretty decent genetics, so I’m not really worried about any sides, and I have yet to see ANY, except for a little temper here and there.

My winny and anadrol will be 50 mgs each a day, for aother 50 days.

I don’t want to hear anything about liver toxicity/kidney failure/etcetera. I’m running liver support, and I’m guessing I have strong enough genetics to not have my body bitch out on me.

My main questions being:

What’s my best bet for not developing pc-gyno? My nips don’t feel sensitive, no puffiness, no change at all. My libido isn’t really down, I still get the occassional stiffy during the day, and I still feel like slaying some p on the reg. No bacne, no hair loss, no back pumps, nothing that’s actually bad or that I’ve read is a direct side effect from cycling. I do on the other hand wake up every night because my appetite is never gone, so I down a mass gaining shake and wake up hungry for breakfast.

A buddy of mine doesn’t think I should be living, but I feel like a lot of the negative reads online are over-dramatized.

He told me to run some Clenbuterol, Anastrozole, and Exemestane for a PCT. Any thoughts on this?

Also, does anyone have a ballpark est of how much I’ll gain from all of this? I’m trying to get to around 235/240 lbs as a final goal. Once I hit that, I’ll probably end up going bigger.

I understand I should be running test or something with this, but old school bb’s didn’t have that option, so I don’t see it a necessity. But if you feel like replying with the typical “you need a test base”, then at least back it up with scientific proof as to why.

No talk about steroids, but I wonder how can you endure that much training?

Fuck it op take oral tren while ur at it

.

Jesus

Srsly do oral tren, u have god like genetics do it.

[quote]Xeracles wrote:
Starting Weight: 196 lbs
Current Weight: 205 lbs
BF %: ~12% (haven’t measured in a while)
Experience: 5 years in and out of the gym.

1st 6 weeks:
M: Bi’s & Tri’s
T: Chest
W: Shoulders & Legs
R: Bi’s & Tri’s
F: Back
S: Legs

Then I figured out I could handle more.

Current:
M: Bi’s & Back
T: Chest & Tri’s
W: Shoulders & Legs
R: Bi’s & Back
F: Chest & Tri’s
S: Shoulders & Legs

I started a cycle of halodrol just out of curiosity, and it really turned into something. I initially started my cycle when I got a job and was able to afford the propoer nutrition and supplementation (as well as any emergency pct supplies, etc). At the time I started my cycle I weighed around 180 lbs. I initially lost 16 lbs of bad weight, going from a size 38 to a size 32-34.

My cycle was as follows:

6 weeks Halodrol @ 110mg/day for 6 weeks.
During these 6 weeks my weight shot up to about 197 lbs. Once my cycle was coming to an end, I decided I was going to continue it instead of doing post cycle therapy, because I wanted more gains. I’m well aware of the possible consequences, so I don’t need preached to, I just need more help with continuing the cycle.

So right now I’m running as follows:

50 mgs of dbol/day
20 mgs epistane/day
20 mgs trenavar/day

Currently at 14 days, and seeing some crazy strength, mass, and especially appetite (most important IMO) gains.

I’m going to continue this cycle until I run out of dbol, which I have about 50 days worth.

Once I finish the dbol I’m going to winny/anadrol to finish up. I’m trying to gain some serious mass off of this. I have pretty decent genetics, so I’m not really worried about any sides, and I have yet to see ANY, except for a little temper here and there.

My winny and anadrol will be 50 mgs each a day, for aother 50 days.

I don’t want to hear anything about liver toxicity/kidney failure/etcetera. I’m running liver support, and I’m guessing I have strong enough genetics to not have my body bitch out on me.

My main questions being:

What’s my best bet for not developing pc-gyno? My nips don’t feel sensitive, no puffiness, no change at all. My libido isn’t really down, I still get the occassional stiffy during the day, and I still feel like slaying some p on the reg. No bacne, no hair loss, no back pumps, nothing that’s actually bad or that I’ve read is a direct side effect from cycling. I do on the other hand wake up every night because my appetite is never gone, so I down a mass gaining shake and wake up hungry for breakfast.

A buddy of mine doesn’t think I should be living, but I feel like a lot of the negative reads online are over-dramatized.

He told me to run some Clenbuterol, Anastrozole, and Exemestane for a PCT. Any thoughts on this?

Also, does anyone have a ballpark est of how much I’ll gain from all of this? I’m trying to get to around 235/240 lbs as a final goal. Once I hit that, I’ll probably end up going bigger.

I understand I should be running test or something with this, but old school bb’s didn’t have that option, so I don’t see it a necessity. But if you feel like replying with the typical “you need a test base”, then at least back it up with scientific proof as to why.

[/quote]

Old school BB’s had fucking test. Where are you getting that they didn’t?

I will reply with the typical you are a complete idiot post. Your are not a super human and this will completely put your liver through the ringer. You will get less results and lose more of them using this bullshit. But please go ahead god liver genetics guy. Because heaven forbid that liver “bitches out on you”.

OH while you are at it go ahead and add 2000 mgs of Tylenol and 4000 mgs of ibuprofen per day too.

this has gotta be a joke…

if it isn’t, i’d suggest getting your liver values checked…

clen adex and asin for PCT? LOL no

It’s definitely not a joke. But hell, I feel like a million bucks. No side effects. Nothing abnormal. I feel strong all the time. My libido is super high actually, higher than it was while I was in high school. I still get random stiffies, never had limp dick.

I personally think that having a healthy diet, followed by strong genetics, and never having a history of any medical issues really plays a big role. If I can say so myself, I feel that most of the information that is spread around is false. Sure, people have died, but almost everything on this planet has claimed the life of at least one person.

[quote]Xeracles wrote:
It’s definitely not a joke. But hell, I feel like a million bucks. No side effects. Nothing abnormal. I feel strong all the time. My libido is super high actually, higher than it was while I was in high school. I still get random stiffies, never had limp dick.

I personally think that having a healthy diet, followed by strong genetics, and never having a history of any medical issues really plays a big role. If I can say so myself, I feel that most of the information that is spread around is false. Sure, people have died, but almost everything on this planet has claimed the life of at least one person. [/quote]

Oral tren. Do it pussy.

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Xeracles wrote:
It’s definitely not a joke. But hell, I feel like a million bucks. No side effects. Nothing abnormal. I feel strong all the time. My libido is super high actually, higher than it was while I was in high school. I still get random stiffies, never had limp dick.

I personally think that having a healthy diet, followed by strong genetics, and never having a history of any medical issues really plays a big role. If I can say so myself, I feel that most of the information that is spread around is false. Sure, people have died, but almost everything on this planet has claimed the life of at least one person. [/quote]

Oral tren. Do it pussy.[/quote]

I think that 2mg per day would be enough to fucking fry his liver in 6-8 weeks.

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Xeracles wrote:
It’s definitely not a joke. But hell, I feel like a million bucks. No side effects. Nothing abnormal. I feel strong all the time. My libido is super high actually, higher than it was while I was in high school. I still get random stiffies, never had limp dick.

I personally think that having a healthy diet, followed by strong genetics, and never having a history of any medical issues really plays a big role. If I can say so myself, I feel that most of the information that is spread around is false. Sure, people have died, but almost everything on this planet has claimed the life of at least one person. [/quote]

Oral tren. Do it pussy.[/quote]

I think that 2mg per day would be enough to fucking fry his liver in 6-8 weeks.[/quote]

Not with those god like genetics.

You , my dear boy , give steroids a bad name - you have no business in this business . You don’t take advice from the knowledgable so don’t bother to ask for the " right " way to do it.

No biggie…I’m just looking for a gain of 40-50 lbs of keepable gains in one cycle…then I’ll go bigger…Idiot.

This is why newbs have such a hard time getting the right advice, cause for every one trying to do it right, you get a bunch doing this dumb shit.

You idiots he’s a cop. Now he’s got all your names.

…hmmmmm

What are you talking about . Who cares if he is a cop What would that matter .

Hey guys I’m still alive.

I think the liver toxicity is way overblown w/ orals personally based on a lot of reading I’ve done. But you’re gonna feel like shit soon enough either way once your t-levels drop to nothing and you’re not taking any. Not sure why the hell you have to mix and match so many orals either- makes no sense. Lol may as well throw in some superdrol too.