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HCG Later?


#1

Hey guys, a quick question regarding Hcg use. My new doc put me on hcg, and lowered my test cyp shot to 80mg. He gave me some "natural" anti-estrogen blocker(I actually bought it from him). It's Estro-DIM, resveratrol, Gyne-andro-plex, and some other liver support like milk thistle.

It has been 2 weeks since I started his protocol, and I feel like absolute dog shit! I did a saliva hormone test that has not come back yet. Before switching to this Doctor, my previous Doc had me on 200mg a week of test cyp for almost a year without an AI until this past May when he finally checked my estrogen at my request.

He messed up that and it was just a normal estrogen panel, but it came back at 325! I have felt horrible the entire time I've been on TRT(read my post "a journey through hell").

My question now is, was it a mistake for this new doc to put me on hcg without knowing my E2 levels, or any other levels at this time? He's an anti-aging Doc, and he prefers saliva hormone testing, but I plan to ask for a E2 blood test when I go back. I think I have all the symptoms of high E2(low libido, irritable, very low mood, anxious, lethargic, you name it I got it) and I think the hcg is making it worse.

I had some letro from my other doc, so I started taking last week. I just read that AI's are ineffective against E2 produced in the testes. I hope I said that right. I know you guys like to see labs first, but like I said my first doc didnt even check my E2. My last Test level was 959, with the total estrogen at 325.


#2

By not using your old thread, this is disconnected from whatever data was there. So there is not much that I can contribute. You have not even provided hCG dosing info.


#3

Sorry for the lack of info. I'm using an insulin syringe and filling it to the "1" as directed by my doc. He wanted me to use this 3 times per week, but i thought i would try Christlers protocol. I don't know what the iu value is at that mark. Along with the hcg I am doing 80mg of test cyp per week with 1 shot. I started seeing this doc on 6-10-13, and on 6-11-13 I did my saliva hormone test. I also did bw on 6-11.

This is what I have done so far:
6-12 hcg
6-13 hcg
6-14 80mg test cyp

Plus I was taking all of the natural anti E stuff I got from him. These include I3C, Estro-dim, gyne-andro-plex, milk thistle, and a couple of others that I'll have to look at when I get home.

6-19 hcg
6-20 hcg
6-22 test shot 80mg(missed Friday for some reason)

On 6-18 I was starting to feel more emotional than I already was, and my wife suggested I start takin letro again. I took 1.25 mg letro on 6-19, and again on 6-22, and again this morning. I was taking the letro prior to this new docs protocol, but he wanted me to stop using it.

I was cutting the letro into 4 pieces, and taking a total of 1.25 mg a week prior to stopping.
I was still not feeling great, but after almost 1 year on 200mg test cyp a week with no AI, and no hcg, I'm sure I had estrogen poisoning, and full HPTA shut down.