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HCG Instead of Test


#1

Has anyone used HCG instead of test during a cycle to maintain average test levels? What would the replacement dose be?

I was thinking of running something like this:

100iu HCG ED
50mg tren ace ED

2 weeks on, 2 weeks off

I understand using test P would be the normal thing to do, I am just wondering if anyone thought this would not work, and if so, why?


HCG with Tren, No Test
#2

This should work. However, with no test your total dose of androgens is quite low per week as I don't think using hCG will really add to the anabolic effect. Your dose of hCG seems to be on par, typically I see 250iu eod.

If doing this I would use a minimum of 75, most likely 100mg per day of Tren A.

I'd like to see more 2 on 2 off logs and reports around here so let us know how it works for you.


#3

Actually this is the way I've been running TA lately. Works fine. I stop the HCG at about day 10.

There is nothing wrong with running the TA at 75 or 100 mg/day either for most. Some may find they prefer the lower dose (50 mg/day) on account of night sweats at the higher dose or some other reason, such as cost.


#4

So do you think 100ius per day is the correct HCG dose for normal test levels?

Would you consider this to be the correct protocol then:

HCG 100ius days 1 - 10 (off 11 - 28)
Tren Ace 50mg days 1 - 11 (off 12 - 28)


#5

It is a correct dose. It will certainly be sufficient to provide the needed estrogen and should keep T levels midnormal or better. However 200 or 250 IU per day is also acceptable. Probably not a big difference in results, but those doses aren't unreasonable. There's a study showing there is likely little difference between dosing commensurate with 125 IU/day and 250 IU/day though (actually they did 250 IU every other day vs 500 EOD but that shouldn't change the comparison.)