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HCG and LH

I started my cycle about 4 weeks ago.

I am taking 250mg of test cypoionate twice a week. I was taking 1mg of Arimidex every other day. I was taking 250iu of HCG twice a week.

I know HCG is supposed to mimic LH. I just got my blood work done and my LH was 0.1. My FSH was 0.4. My testosterone was >1500 and my estrogen was 44.5.

Question 1: Shouldn’t HCG have my LH higher? of would that not show up on a blood result, but would mimic it? I ordered the HCG and had it sitting in my desk drawer for 3 months prior to using, but I kept it in the crystalized form until I needed to use it and have been refridgerating ever since.

Question 2: Do I need to up my dosage of Arimidex to every day versus every other day due to the higher then normal estrogen levels?

Question 3: Is it not possible to test for testosterone beyond 1500? The blood result said >1500 results confirmed after dilution.

Regarding question 3.The testosterone will rise according to amount.Why would 1500 be the limit.I People have 10x the level at times.

I wouldnt worry about the E levels unless you are feeling shit or are getting other symptoms of high E.

Regarding the LH and hCG, hCG does not stimulate the production of LH I think that is where you are getting confused.
hCG mimicks LH’s actions in the testes causing them to produce testosterone, HCG is not LH so why would your LH be elevated?

SB

Singhbuilder:

I was just trying to burn some unwanted fat, so getting the estrogen down I thought would speed the process and maximize results. I have increaded the arimidex to 1mg every day, rather then every other day.

So, mimicking is more a function then an exact dupication, which is why my LH was low. I thought maybe I had gotten some bad HCG or something. Thanks for your help. I truly appreciate your feedback.

Johnnyk 53:
I never said 1500 was the limit, but my results said >1500, so I was wondering why they couldn’t tell me the actual number rather then just saying it was greater then 1500.

Maybe the range on the test only went up to 1500?

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Maybe the range on the test only went up to 1500? [/quote]

This…and its because the lab you went to is not designed to test steroid users testosterone levels. Only .000001% of the population is over 1500 naturally, so that is where their cutoff lies. It is not worth it for them to invest the extra money in the equipment and training needed to detect over this level.

And if you want to test whether or not your hcg is good, take a pregnancy test. You should be expecting soon.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Maybe the range on the test only went up to 1500? [/quote]

This…and its because the lab you went to is not designed to test steroid users testosterone levels. Only .000001% of the population is over 1500 naturally, so that is where their cutoff lies. It is not worth it for them to invest the extra money in the equipment and training needed to detect over this level.

[/quote]
Good Point.That makes sense,but for us bodybuilder’s we need an accurate.The Bio testosterone is the One and only.In Canada we have total testosterone and it’s covered on are health insurance,but Bio available that’s 4cost’s 35-60 dollars.I guess we as consumers have to get our money’s worth?? Thank’s for your input.In canada it’s all number’s and they can go to the roof.This 15 seem’s like a scam.All they could do was classify all of us as Supraphsiologic and take our $50.00 and not even do tghe test. Hey Bro!! Let’s start fresh.Im Sorry for any asshole comment’s i made in the past.Your intelligent and i respect you.Bro we can agree to disagre,but let’s not insult each other,as we all have feeling’s and insecuritie’s.At least i do. your friend john

[quote]johnny k53 wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Maybe the range on the test only went up to 1500? [/quote]

This…and its because the lab you went to is not designed to test steroid users testosterone levels. Only .000001% of the population is over 1500 naturally, so that is where their cutoff lies. It is not worth it for them to invest the extra money in the equipment and training needed to detect over this level.

[/quote]
Good Point.That makes sense,but for us bodybuilder’s we need an accurate.The Bio testosterone is the One and only.In Canada we have total testosterone and it’s covered on are health insurance,but Bio available that’s 4cost’s 35-60 dollars.I guess we as consumers have to get our money’s worth?? Thank’s for your input.In canada it’s all number’s and they can go to the roof.This 15 seem’s like a scam.All they could do was classify all of us as Supraphsiologic and take our $50.00 and not even do tghe test. Hey Bro!! Let’s start fresh.Im Sorry for any asshole comment’s i made in the past.Your intelligent and i respect you.Bro we can agree to disagre,but let’s not insult each other,as we all have feeling’s and insecuritie’s.At least i do. your friend john[/quote]

You’ve got a deal, John.

As far as bodybuilders needing the accurate number, I disagree. Sure it would be helpful to know, as you could compare your gear versus other gear at the same dosage and see if one or the other is underdosed, but overall, it serves little purpose. If you are over the 1500 range of the lab (which about 350 mg/week or more should get you) then you know your shit is G2G.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
And if you want to test whether or not your hcg is good, take a pregnancy test. You should be expecting soon.[/quote]
Really? Now that is a nice - and mind twister - trick.

[quote]SwD wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
And if you want to test whether or not your hcg is good, take a pregnancy test. You should be expecting soon.[/quote]
Really? Now that is a nice - and mind twister - trick.[/quote]

Ya! It really does work

Ah ah. Well damn if I ever thought I’d use a pregnancy test for myself!!! And I just made a “direct deposit” in the GF so we’ll test together :slight_smile:

I had never taken HCG before but I have purchased some now, so I will take a small dose EOD as recommended by many guys here. It seems now I have a way to know if it’s legit.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
And if you want to test whether or not your hcg is good, take a pregnancy test. You should be expecting soon.[/quote]

I was taking 250mg of testestorone twice a week. I wasn’t losing any fat, so I started taking 100mg of tren every other day. I finally broke the 20% body fat in my first week of tren. I have a personal trainer I do weights with 3x a week for an hour a session. I do cardio on the off days for 50 minutes on the elliptical. I guess I need to watch my diet more?

VTBalla34 is the shit when it comes to advice.

[quote]juiced77 wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
And if you want to test whether or not your hcg is good, take a pregnancy test. You should be expecting soon.[/quote]

I was taking 250mg of testestorone twice a week. I wasn’t losing any fat, so I started taking 100mg of tren every other day. I finally broke the 20% body fat in my first week of tren. I have a personal trainer I do weights with 3x a week for an hour a session. I do cardio on the off days for 50 minutes on the elliptical. I guess I need to watch my diet more?

VTBalla34 is the shit when it comes to advice.[/quote]

haha thanks buddy…I help out when I can…just paying a little back when I am able

[quote]juiced77 wrote:

VTBalla34 is the shit when it comes to advice.[/quote]

lol, just wait til you say something that pisses him off!

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]juiced77 wrote:

VTBalla34 is the shit when it comes to advice.[/quote]

lol, just wait til you say something that pisses him off![/quote]

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