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Havoc and Cyclo-4AD

So I’ve read a bit on cycles and stacks and I’m just lookin for some quick feedback on what I’m about to start. Looking at 7 Weeks broken down as follows:

Havoc - 0/0/30/30/30/40/40
Androtest - 500/500/500/500/500/500/500
N2 Guard
Fish Oil
Joint Support

Nolva - 40/40/20/20
N2 Guard / Beyond Raw Liver Support
Tribex (or similar)

Any tips, thoughts, or input would be welcome. Thinking I’ve got it set up ok, just lookin for a sanity check.


N2Guard is a huge ripoff. Skip it and just get either TUDCA or NAC.

Androtest is not a replacement for actual test. Maybe it helps a little, but not enough to combat the suppression of epistane.

Your pct is a mess. Drop everything but the Nolva. All other additions are either a waste of your hard earned money or are counterproductive.

Epistane is good stuff. It’s better when used with actual testosterone. I know this because I’m two weeks post blast with it right now.