Yes. That’s with many things. People who have psychologically induced insomnia suffer from the same phenomenon. It’s all about getting some food experiences under your belt (literally).
You will
I have a big post on this you should check out!
It’s depressing road at times but things have got better for me! I do however have bad spells including now which brings me back to the forum haha!
how are you doing now brother?
Hey Lufc12
I’ve pretty much read all of your posts and your 2018 Tren Dick issue
I dont know if you had the same problem as i’m going through now. at some point i even felt suicidal but slapped myself to wakeup and fight haha.
although my problem has only been around for few months it has got the best of me and iam now in a deep dark phase in my life
i’m currently suffering from loss of libido. loss of sensation down there with severe ED and Mr johnson just seems to be limp 24/7, id sometimes wakeup with a half boner, soft erection. but it goes away straight away as iam not really aroused or thinking about sex, or if i watch porn i’d get a half erection aswell, nothing like it used to be not erections wise or libido wise, My sleep is seriously disturbed and i feel like a zombie during the day.
All of that has led to depression and anxiety but i’m hoping ill get through this.
Since you’re still in this forum i’d really appreciate you telling us about your progress regarding your sexual functioning, hows erections lately any improvement? libido ever came back or got better?
is it still no sensation down there?
I’d be greatful if you can shed some light and tell us how things are going with you regarding these issues ,
Hi Gregg,
Good to hear from you. What caused your issue, Tren use also?
My libido definitely recovered some what! My head space has got a lot clearer overall too! I sometimes have really bad weeks though where things crash a bit. You tend to find that’s common amongst us that suffer. ED is also there at times but it comes and goes.
Do you have any labs etc? What’s your age?
Thanks for replying mate
im 21 and unlike you i’ve used deca multiple times which i believe caused my issue
i guess from what ive read up i’ve got a very long way of recovery if its even possible
i cant believe that this has happened but it did.
i have no sex drive at all. i never sleep at night its always past 4am and wakeup early, i’ve been trying to fix the sleeping problem but its just not happening, even if i wakeup at 7am i’d still be up until 4/5am everyday
My ED is severe, i tried cialis 5mg/10mg everyday but that didnt help much, 99% of the time my dick is just limp and shrunk, watching porn would give half erection only when watching but as soon as i stop it goes away within seconds, also my semen volume has decreased drastically and loads are just not that much like before. balls shrunk.
Funny that my labs shows high testosterone and all other hormones are ok apart from E which is slightly high.
Sex literally became irrelevant at this point and pursing a relationship became almost impossible as i just can’t approach women anymore because i just can’t get it up.
are you experiencing the same symptoms?
i believe your problem has started in 2018, if u’d put your recovery in % how much you reckon you’ve recovered in % so far?
cheers bud
Get the “if it’s even possible” out your head. It is possible! That will be doing you no favours. I was like you and it’s worst thought process ever!
Watch some sleep hygiene issues video and also videos how to correct your sleep pattern! This can be very hard if your adrenals are fatigued which seems to be an issue for a large portion of us.
Stay away from porn, allow your dopamine receptors to have a break, and flooding your brain with more dopamine won’t help.
Set yourself targets of how you want to combat this without over thinking it (I used to over think it constantly then it becomes to much for you and you want to give up on life)
So a lot of guys on here haven’t really experienced decca dick / tren dick like we have so most look at it at it’s most basic level, which is understandable.
That is looking at HPTA axis solely. Which is always a good start but may not be the fix.
First of all. are your total test , free test, estrogen , lh , FSH and prolactin optimal. (Not just in range)
I suspect maybe not , but if it’s not it could be such a number of things causing it. Adrenal issues , thyroid issues, brain issues (dopamine mainly) if you followed my thread you’ll see some really knowledgeable guys on there talking about this.
So I’d look at adrenals next, 24hours cortisol , try find the Dutch test rather then any other. Once you get results of that upload them here with your other labs.
Thyroid is also something to look into. TSH should be nearer 1. Get a thyroid panel done.
Once you get all the correct hormone tests done you want to look at how they interact with your brain and how your brain is operating. So for example dopamine levels low? This is hard to ever measure it’s usually based on symptoms (low sex drive) being one.
So my recovery , well since then my last relationship ended due to these issues but as of October last year I entered a new relationship which is huge. My libido comes and goes but this happens with most people anyway just worse with us! I still can get bit scared or overwhelmed by it all worry I’m not healing but actually I’ve come so far.
So youll find some research that nandrolone affects the dopamine system for 5 times longer then you used it for. And serotonin system for 6 times longer.
So if you have done let’s say 3 , 8 weeks courses of nandrolone, that’s 6 months worth of damage which is 3 years of healing needed for that system +.
Doesn’t mean you won’t see great improvements in that time! You will! I certainly have! Infact to point that I thought I’d leave this forum for good but then I have a little bad spell! Stress can bring it on.
My big next steps is check gut microbe and adrenal glands, because I think my body has chronic stress which is now more my issue causing low dopamine and then thus the symptoms. Remember sex
Drive is from dopamine , the hormones just ensure the right dopamine levels. Fixing the hormones is usually the way to fix the root cause.
You can temporary mask the issues with supplements which raise dopamine but you have to cycle them and they aren’t long term fixes.
I know this is overwhelming but I’ll help as much as I can. Most guys who heal leave the forum and don’t come back , and who can blame them, why would you want to look back on this time of your life. So when you find the forums where they talk about this issues and then go dead they are likely cured or atleast stable and that should give you peace of mind!
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You have to get that fixed. This alone could cause your ED. Sleep is so important for CNS recovery and healing.
Did you try Melatonin at 0.5-1 mg/night ?
You have to get sleep. Go to a doctor when possible someone with psychology knowledge to help you get sleep.
I had sleep issues and other stress related problems that caused me to have ED for a short period of time. Sleep is the first and most important thing besides enough food that helps the body recover that you have to fix.
That’s definitely what i’m starting with as i know for a fact that my sleeping problem has been affecting me in all aspects. I know that Deca is the cause of my ED but there are other things that i think has nothing to do with me using AAS at all such as my sleeping routine, i’ve read a lot already about how could that affect us in a way that i never thought it’s possible,
i lack energy all day long its not like i’m tired but i just cant be bothered to be more specific. lately most of the time i feel disconnected from the world and the people around me, i get distracted way to easily and i’ve completely lost my apatite, even the food that i fancied once whenever i eat it now its like eating a fucking cardboard if that makes sense haha. i became generally anxious and i wouldn’t say socially awkward as i always was confident with everybody but i’d avoid social interactions for whatever reason and with the silliest excuses
So basically after my unfortunate loss of libido and ED caused by my use of AAS I sat with myself and found that i’m having all the above aswell for atleast the past year and half.
I think if i ever want to recover i should start addressing these problems first and gradually i shall see progress, sometimes we focus so much in one problem and forget about all the other issues that are far worse and more destroying in the long run.
Thank you @lufc12 & @lordgains for your replies, i will surely keep everyone updated from time to time and wont be like the others who just disappear and we end up never knowing what happened to them.
and please excuse my english its my 3rd language hehe
I can relate to this. I had a very stressful two weeks and sleep suffered. I had around 7 hours per night, which doesn’t sound like little to some, but if I sleep for only 7 hours, after 3 days I get all these symptoms. Especially the anxiousness, the low energy all day and the avoidance of social interactions is very pronounced.
If you need advice on what to take and what not or what to do to get better sleep, I’m here. I think getting a regular sleep schedule will do wonders and put you on the path to recovery.
Yes please i would appreciate helping me with that if you think that what you do would be of some help me @lordgains
again i really appreciate all your help
First and foremost: sleep hygiene. Dark, cool room. A nice bed. Fresh air. Also no screens in the last hour at least before sleep. Have a regular schedule, go to bed at the same time ±30 minutes and get up at the same time every day. With food you have to find what works for you, I would not eat sweets before bed but rather slow carbs with some protein and fats but at least with 1 hour space between eating and bed.
Medication: from best to worst
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Melatonin: it induces sleep and sets your body’s clock. It doesn’t induce dependance and will not completely fuck up sleep cycles.
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Magnesium Glycinate: Glycin and magnesium calm the central nervous system. Is ideally taken on an empty stomach 15 min before bed at 150 mg magnesium.
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Valerian: different for everybody, some say it is great and they sleep like a baby; others say they are wide awake all night. If you are one of the people who benefit from it, it’s great. GABA B action is muscle relaxant but technically shouldn’t be sleep inducing. It works for many people.
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Lavender: reduces anxiety and induced relaxation but doesn’t really put you to sleep. Most people have some success with it though it is technically not a sleep aid.
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H1 antagonists like Diphenhydramine. Be careful; long list of possible side effects. Dry mouth for example. Also indices dependance when used for longer than 7 days. 25-50 mg at night will put you to sleep, I’d take it 1 hour before bed. Only short term as it fucks with sleep cycles. Slight hangover effect.
No long term fixes from here:
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Zolpidem: only for sleep induction. 30 mins before bed. Great dependency risk, though less than benzos. Can be taken a few times a week but should only be used in the very beginning or occasionally.
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Zopiclon: sleep induction and sleeping through. Should only be taken occasionally as dependence is real. In my experience extremely good sleep aid but Hangover is definitely noticeable. Disturbs sleep cycles slightly.
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Benzos: best all around sleep inducers but very problematic because of addiction potential. Don’t take them more than once per week. Disturb sleep cycles.
Have no experience but could be helping:
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GABA. Should theoretically not pass the BBB but people report great results.
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Ashwaghanda. I couldn’t sleep with it; many people report great improvements.
I’m sure I’ve forgotten some from the top of my head. Just ask if you wanna know about others.
Exercises: there’s a whole list of exercises that help one sleep. I think the best one can do is meditate once a day for 5-15 minutes. It has been shown that it enhances sleep at night even though it’s not performed before bed. Very good tool in my opinion.
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How you getting on man? And how’s everyone else doing? I’ve been on this journey 3 years now! Crazy amount of time
@noxy345 , @lufc12 hey guys how are you doing? I read many of these threads now about decca dick… its so much like post finasteride syndrome which is something I’m experiencing. I hvae only been in it for 2 months, but I also seemed to have gotten hard flaccid and long flaccid syndrome from my use of dutasteride. The ED is severe, there’s pain in my penis at the base of the shaft liek a clamping feeling… also when i get erect, it gets 50% hard and is what is called ‘long flaccid’ . it doesnt get rigid at all. Soemtimes the odd night I can wake up with a 70-80% rigid erection, but it still doesn’t feel like my old erections used to… I can’t even tell how hard I am mentally, it just doesn’t register in my mind. I have to use my hand and bend my penis to gauge how stiff it is, when before I had pulsing and throbbing sensations when I was hard and it was very rigid. The penile pulse is also very weak compared to before. I also cannot get hard when standing up, i get to 70% stiffness even with hand stimulation… I basically have to lie down to have a chance.
Did any of you guys get penile doppler ultrasounds with inject when you had these , or pharmacoangiograms, or other tests liek venograms, MRI’s of the pudendal nerves innervating the dorsal branch of the penis? Also if this is neurosteroidal, then a spinal tap to measure CSF should be seen, as those with PFS showed markedly reduced allopregnenalone levels , like major depressed patients.
I really believe this decca permanence or lingering effect is very similar to post finasteride, or post SSRI or acutane syndrome. They basically are the same symptoms when you read through these people’s accounts who have gone through this from various drugs or medications. It does seem to be very wavy… 1 week where you feel like you made progress, then a week of crashing and feeling like you’re at square 1 again. And this repeats for months or years… its like the recovery trajectory is not linear at all, but oscillates up and down by 5% with an upward increment of 1% per month or something…
Anyways, let me know how its going guys as I am deep in this syndrome and scared.