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Hamstring Injections?

Anybody here ever inject into the hamstring? I have a lagging hamstring I’m trying to rehab from ACL surgery and it’s taking forever getting the strength back, would injecting directly into the hamstring help speed things up? It’s been 14 months since surgery.

Bad idea bro. AAS for this stuff needs to be last resort.My 2 cents.

bis

Yea, you’re probably right, I’m just getting very frustrated. I guess I was hoping to hear someone say it’s a great idea, it will fix you up in no time, but I’ll just keep working at it.

IGF-1 sounds like a possibility.

[quote]piper1 wrote:
Anybody here ever inject into the hamstring? I have a lagging hamstring I’m trying to rehab from ACL surgery and it’s taking forever getting the strength back, would injecting directly into the hamstring help speed things up? It’s been 14 months since surgery.[/quote]

Prop and tren are good to spot inject

I’ve injected into the hammies a couple times. They are very dense in nerves and the muscles seem a bit more dense there. You’d have to pin very slowly and wiggle the needle around a bit to avoid the nerves when you feel yourself about to hit one. Even then, if it’s a large volume (I’d say over 1ml) you’re risking the ball of oil sitting in your muscle putting pressure on surrounding nerves.

If the gear causes any inflammation (think BA) then the surrounding nerves (remember, they are more dense in the hammies) will experience pain and the pain will be refered into the lower back and down the legs if you’re unlucky.

Simply, if you have painless gear at 1ml or less go for it. Otherwise I wouldn’t recommend it.

A bit off topic - but how are the hamstrings for any injection purpose? Seems like a strange place to inject a drug.

[quote]Mr. Shoulders wrote:
Prop and tren are good to spot inject[/quote]

Bullshit. If that were true, I would have the biggest ass in North America.

There is no proof whatsoever that prop and tren promote site specific growth.

Well that answers my question! Great answer! Thanks. :slight_smile:

quads, glutes, delts are pretty standard sites.

maybe bi’s and tri’s if you have every day injects requiring a rotation. you can also do pecs, lats and calves if you feel the need to be creative.

but HAMMIES???!!! IMO stay away from that site. the risk of hitting a nerve, vessel, tendon, whatever, is pretty damn high i would imagine. it would be no different than trying to find a spot in your forearm to inject.

i don’t know if spot injects are theraputic at all. but for site specific growth, they do absolute jack shit. it just promotes some local swelling, which can be deceiving.

http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Picture is worth a thousand words.

The only AAS I know that doesn’t hamper collagen synthesis are anavar,growth,and winstrol. Anything else will put much stress on the ligament as it is not keeping up with muscle.If it were a muscle tear,pull etc, I would say go for it. Collagen synthesis needs more attention as I’m seeing more and more people overloading tendons resulting in surgery. Be careful bro

Here is a descent read that you can gain from.I DO NOT take credit for this info in any way.

Title: Stimulation of collagen synthesis by the anabolic steroid stanozolol.

Researchers: Falanga V, Greenberg AS, Zhou L, Ochoa SM, Roberts AB, Falabella A, Yamaguchi Y; University of Miami School of Medicine, Department of Dermatology, Miami, Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Florida, USA.

Source: J Invest Dermatol 1998 Dec;111(6):1193-7

Summary: In this report, we measured the effect of the anabolic steroid stanozolol on cell replication and collagen synthesis in cultures of adult human dermal fibroblasts. Stanozolol (0.625-5 micrograms per ml) had no effect on fibroblast replication and cell viability but enhanced collagen synthesis in a dose-dependent manner. Stanozolol also increased (by 2-fold) the mRNA levels of alpha1 (I) and alpha1 (III) procollagen and, to a similar extent, upregulated transforming growth factor-beta1 (TGF-beta1) mRNA and peptide levels. There was no stimulation of collagen synthesis by testosterone. The stimulatory effects of stanozolol on collagen synthesis were blocked by a TGF-beta1 anti-sense oligonucleotide, by antibodies to TGF-beta, and in dermal fibroblast cultures derived from TGF-beta-1 knockout mice. We conclude that collagen synthesis is increased by the anabolic steroid stanozolol and that, for the most part, this effect is due to TGF-beta-1. These findings point to a novel mechanism of action of anabolic steroids.

Discussion: I must first acknowledge that the commonly held belief is that anabolic steroids predispose an athlete to tendon rupture. This conclusion is drawn from animal studies showing that some steroids produce a larger, stiffer tendon in rats and that these steroid-induced tendons “fail” before the tendons from the control animals. The term fail refers to the breaking point.

The interesting thing about the present study is that the steroid stanozolol (Winstrol) had a different effect than testosterone. If you are a regular reader of MESO-Rx you should be well aware that not all steroids act in the same manner. And that because of subtle differences in there molecular structure they are able to elicit different responses. For example, Deca seems to act primarily through the androgen receptor (AR) where as Dianabol has effects beyond those associated with the AR.

Because synthetic steroids have differ in their chemical properties it should not be surprising that testosterone did not have the same effect as Winstrol. Winstrol increased collagen synthesis as opposed to testosterone which did not in this study. Interpreting the results of this study are more difficult than simply describing them. Other researchers have suggested that steroids cause a rapid increase in protein synthesis within tendon fibroblasts which results in fibroids or fibrous nodules within the tendon (Michna,1988). These fibroids alter the mechanical properties of the tendon perhaps predisposing it to rupture. It is also noted that during short term use of steroids there is an alteration in the alignment of collagen fibers which may also lead to rupture. Interestingly these alterations in collagen metabolism are transient with markers of collagen turnover returning more or less to baseline after 3-4 weeks of steroid administration (Karpakka,1992). These same researchers noted that low dose anabolics effect primarily muscle collagenous tissue with tendon being effected only at higher doses (i.e. 5 times the therapeutic dose) which would more closely represent what is needed by bodybuilders to put on mass.

The question remains, dose this mean that Winstrol will actually help prevent tendon injury or will it lead to bigger yet stiffer tendons prone to injury? It is difficult to take animal research and extrapolate the results to humans. Stanozolol is used therapeutically in humans to treat a variety of connective tissue and vascular disorders and its clinical effects suggest that it can modulate connective tissue breakdown in people. Despite being labeled as “ineffective” by many bodybuilders it is very popular among athletes. As with most hormones, dosage plays a role in what effects are seen, be they positive or negative. Hopefully future studies will shed light on the therapeutic effects of different steroids on tendons in humans.

References:

Michna H Appearance and ultrastructure of intranuclear crystalloids in tendon fibroblasts induced by an anabolic steroid hormone in the mouse. Acta Anat (Basel) 1988;133(3):247-50

Karpakka JA, Pesola MK, Takala TE. The effects of anabolic steroids on collagen synthesis in rat skeletal muscle and tendon. A preliminary report. Am J Sports Med 1992 May-Jun;20(3):262-6
I need to let you know that I can not take credit for this info


for this info in any way.

Good luck brother and keep us posted.

Peace,
Biscuite

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Agreed. I tried to find some backing on this bushy but had no luck. I see what your saying but these guys may not be on the same page. Can you go more in depth with this. Thanks for takeing the time bushboy.

Get swole,
biscuite

I’m pulling the world apart…one arm at a time.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mr. Shoulders wrote:
Prop and tren are good to spot inject

Bullshit. If that were true, I would have the biggest ass in North America.

There is no proof whatsoever that prop and tren promote site specific growth. [/quote]

I think you ARE the biggest ass in North America and I stand by my original statement

[quote]Mr. Shoulders wrote:
I think you ARE the biggest ass in North America and I stand by my original statement[/quote]

I may very well be the biggest ass in North America. Hell - I would probably place in the top 5 in the World.

But you are the one that is full of shit thinking that systemic Steroids promote site specific growth.

I could give a shit if you stand by your statement or not - I want some fucking proof.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Picture is worth a thousand words.

No offence, but spotinjections has some seriously dodgy injection sites. For ex, the quad injection looks to me as though its going right into the ITB. Not good.

bushy[/quote]

Bummer. I was thinking this was a great source of info. I can’t say I know much about juicing. Do you by chance know of a good source for injection location pictures? And what is ITB?

I can’t get offended by you Bushy, especially on a topic I am weak on :slight_smile:

Edit: in reference to source, I was referring to a source for pictures of injection locations.

Can we stick to the mans question please? Pissing and moning was not the …here comes the trailer park in me…Mother fucking question. The man asked a solid question that needs solid answers. Give the man some help(fact not assumption) or shut up. Take the “titty bump shit” somewhere else. I’m here to build muscle not bitch. As far as sources go…Pay your dues bro. Youll get what you want. I will help anyway I can or I will find you someone that knows.

Good luck man,
Bis

[quote]biscuite wrote:
Can we stick to the mans question please? Pissing and moning was not the …here comes the trailer park in me…Mother fucking question. The man asked a solid question that needs solid answers. Give the man some help(fact not assumption) or shut up. Take the “titty bump shit” somewhere else. I’m here to build muscle not bitch. As far as sources go…Pay your dues bro. Youll get what you want. I will help anyway I can or I will find you someone that knows.

Good luck man,
Bis[/quote]

Oh no, not that type of source. I meant a source for injection location pictures. Bushy said the spot injection site I linked wasn’t very good and I think he knows his shit so I believe him. Thanks for the offer though :slight_smile:

[quote]biscuite wrote:
Can we stick to the mans question please? Pissing and moning was not the …here comes the trailer park in me…Mother fucking question. The man asked a solid question that needs solid answers. Give the man some help(fact not assumption) or shut up. Take the “titty bump shit” somewhere else. I’m here to build muscle not bitch. As far as sources go…Pay your dues bro. Youll get what you want. I will help anyway I can or I will find you someone that knows.

Good luck man,
Bis[/quote]

Bullshit advice needs to be called out - regardless of the thread.

It’s meatheaded misinformation like his that blackens the eye of our community. I have no patience for such crap. And regardless of how you think this thread should go or not - I am going to say what needs to be said to combat the rampant stupidity wrt AAS.