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Half: Divorce and Alimony

I was watching George Lucas’s biography and it talked about how his wife fell in love with another man. She left him. Now that’s heartbreaking enough as it is. But then they said she took HALF of his money. It took years for him to recover emotionally and monetarily.

What is your opinion on your ex getting half?

I’m not sure what she really did to deserve half.

If it’s half of what I earn while we’re together, I can live with that. If it’s half of what I earned throughout my whole life, including before we were together, I’m not cool with that.

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
If it’s half of what I earn while we’re together, I can live with that. If it’s half of what I earned throughout my whole life, including before we were together, I’m not cool with that.[/quote]

But do you get half of what she made while you two were together?

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
But do you get half of what she made while you two were together?[/quote]

I was going with the assumption that George was the sole supporter and was looking at the issue from that angle. I still stand by that viewpoint. That may be a lot to give up, but you know what they say about divorce- it’s expensive because it’s worth it.

Now if we made equal money, I’d be fine with splitting the earnings and holdings aquired during the marriage 50/50.

Having to give up half of all his holdings is the reason my dad didn’t divorce my mom several years ago.

They’re happily miserable to this day.

I think if your wife is an active supporter of what you do she deserves half of what you earn during marriage…ever seen trading spouses? the man works 80 hours a week while the wife spends her whole day by the pool ordering around the grandmother…I would throw her in the trash can and roll it down a big hill over a cliff into a sea of solid cement with spikes protruding everywhere.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
It took years for him to recover emotionally and monetarily. [/quote]

Boo-freakin-hoo! The man was worth millions of dollars (that’s 80s money, not the current crappy dollar!). He had enough money to live 500 years.

Also, the woman had clear grounds to claim that much money. She won an oscar for her editing work on Star Wars.

california law. get married elsewhere, sign a prenuptial or don’t get married at all. most of the alimony laws in this country are hopelessly out of date, written during a time when women had few career options outside of being a wife and mother. Times have changed for women and it’s about time we scale back these ridiculous alimony judgments.

[quote]lixy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
It took years for him to recover emotionally and monetarily.

Boo-freakin-hoo! The man was worth millions of dollars (that’s 80s money, not the current crappy dollar!). He had enough money to live 500 years.

Also, the woman had clear grounds to claim that much money. She won an oscar for her editing work on Star Wars.[/quote]

Are you showing respect for an Oscar now?

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
I was watching George Lucas’s biography and it talked about how his wife fell in love with another man. She left him. Now that’s heartbreaking enough as it is. But then they said she took HALF of his money. It took years for him to recover emotionally and monetarily.

What is your opinion on your ex getting half?

I’m not sure what she really did to deserve half. [/quote]

I live this right now…and believe me she takes MORE than half.

AFTER TAXES…Pretty much she now gets a free 50k paycheck for cheating and leaving her husband and taking the house. California is wonderful! I gave up the House for the 401K.

In California, the only right you have is to bend over as a man…if you make the money.

PLUS, after 10 years of marriage she is ENTITLED to Alimony…even though she holds professional licenses, has a BS Degree and is able bodied.

The law actually makes it look like an incentive to divorce.

Lixy is correct in this case. Marcia Lucas edited Star Wars, THX1138, and was with George from the beggining. She has a pretty legitimate claim to half.

But Alimony is a bullshit relic of the past.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Having to give up half of all his holdings is the reason my dad didn’t divorce my mom several years ago.

They’re happily miserable to this day.[/quote]

Works both ways.

I have an aunt that should have left her husband years ago.

She is the one who worked for everything they have, and now she is stuck with the loser.

It is case-by-case.

It is disingenuous to say that a wife is a partner in a relationship, until it ends, at which point she should get nothing.

I have no problem with splitting the assets acquired during the marriage. I do have a problem with perpetual alimony, except in a few rare cases. My biggest beef is with women who will date and live with other men after their divorce, intentionally avoiding divorce so that they can continue to collect alimony.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

AFTER TAXES…Pretty much she now gets a free 50k paycheck for cheating and leaving her husband and taking the house. California is wonderful! I gave up the House for the 401K.

In California, the only right you have is to bend over as a man…if you make the money.[/quote]

Isn’t cheating a violation of the marriage contract?
Is there some evidence of cheating you can present?

There is no way you should have to bend over and take it up the tailpipe! If she broke the contract, then, she’s off the team, with a penalty.

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:

Isn’t cheating a violation of the marriage contract?
Is there some evidence of cheating you can present?

There is no way you should have to bend over and take it up the tailpipe! If she broke the contract, then, she’s off the team, with a penalty.

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In this state, she could be cheating outwardly, with anyone, and it’s irrelivant. CA is a “NO FAULT” state, which includes infidelity.

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

AFTER TAXES…Pretty much she now gets a free 50k paycheck for cheating and leaving her husband and taking the house. California is wonderful! I gave up the House for the 401K.

In California, the only right you have is to bend over as a man…if you make the money.

Isn’t cheating a violation of the marriage contract?
Is there some evidence of cheating you can present?

There is no way you should have to bend over and take it up the tailpipe! If she broke the contract, then, she’s off the team, with a penalty.

[/quote]

Most states allow no-fault divorces now, so traditional fault grounds for divorce are no longer applicable.

It isn’t just the man paying, it is a division of the marital assets. Assets that were acquired during the length of the marriage. A marriage of long duration is more than 10-years and in that case the lower wage earning spouse (man or woman) is most likely entitled to alimony.

We worked on a case where the woman was a real estate agent and making 2.5mil a year. The husband was a house husband who was an aspiring writer. Never wrote anything. At the 11th year anniversary he had her served with papers by his boyfriend. The wife thought they had just been really good friends.

He was a savvy fella and had played her.

Things happen and Courts don’t want to legislate love. Marriages are unique. People can fall out of love and you can’t quantify the reason, the depth or the validity of that happening.

Regarding alimony, typically men do STILL make more money for the same job. I do hope you all realize that.

Also typically, the brunt of the housework and child rearing lands on the wife. Women usually work and then come home and do housework and take care of the kids moreso than the husband. It just is, just works out that way.

There is also legislature out there that is taking into account divorced spouses living with new significant others in order to continue to receive support. The Courts aren’t stupid and are aware of those situations.

There is no such thing as an amicable divorce.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:

Isn’t cheating a violation of the marriage contract?
Is there some evidence of cheating you can present?

There is no way you should have to bend over and take it up the tailpipe! If she broke the contract, then, she’s off the team, with a penalty.

In this state, she could be cheating outwardly, with anyone, and it’s irrelivant. CA is a “NO FAULT” state, which includes infidelity.
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Damn. That’s a double slap in the face. Then why bother even getting married in the first place? That really sucks.