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Gyno Forming

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#1

In as many cycles as I’ve ran I’ve never had even the slightest hint of gyno. Well, I have a pea sized mass behind each nipple. I’ve ordered some Letro and will begin that ASAP. I’m asking opinions of what to do until then. I have Nolva and Adex. I’m assuming that my Letro will arrive on Saturday or Monday. Saturday would be ideal but I can’t count on it. I’ve been running Adex at .5mg/EOD I can raise that to ED or start in with Nolva too until the Letro arrives. Any suggestions?

I should also mention that I’m assuming the Adex just wasn’t enough for the dose of test and that I will be cutting out the TNE I’ve been using for the last 2 weeks. At least until this is under control.

#2
#3

I’m perfectly aware that I need to start running Letro. I will as soon as I have it in my hands. My question is what you would do in the few days it will take to get the Letro. Up your AI or start in with Nolva? My plan is to raise my adex dosage to .5 ED but I’d like a second opinion. This is new territory for me.

#4

from the sticky:

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently.

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno, let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

#5

Shit man if you lived close I’d give you letro lol bought a bottle of it just in case, haven’t even touched one tablet yet. How much test were you running?

#6

With the TNE about 700/wk 350/wk prop and 50 TNE on w/o days. I’ve ran upwards of 1g/wk and never needed more then .5 EOD.

And thanks for the thought. I’m no where near the west coast though. Near Canada but way over in the east.

#7

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
from the sticky:

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently.

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno, let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.
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I read that and was aware of it. At the moment I’m not trying to reverse it. Just trying to make sure it doesn’t get any worse before I receive the Letro. Hoping that dropping the TNE and upping the Adex until it gets here will keep it check.

#8

yeah i’d take 50mg nolva and up your a.i. might not do much but won’t make it any worse.

#9

are you on or off right now?

even though Raloxifene is a SERM, it is not that effective at raising LH/test, but it has been shown to reverse pubertal gyno.

i’d add that to whatever AI you’re running.

if you’re on cycle and supression isn’t an issue, then Andractim is also an option, which is a DHT topical cream…

#10

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
are you on or off right now?

even though Raloxifene is a SERM, it is not that effective at raising LH/test, but it has been shown to reverse pubertal gyno.

i’d add that to whatever AI you’re running.

if you’re on cycle and supression isn’t an issue, then Andractim is also an option, which is a DHT topical cream…[/quote]

I’m on cycle. Test/Tren I’ve been running adex at .5EOD and will be changing that to ED. Letro has been ordered and I paid for express shipping which I hope means overnight. I’m assuming it will get here before I could get my hands on anything else. I’m just hoping to stall any more formation until I can get going with the Letro. If the Letro doesn’t kick it I will look into the Ralox.

Thanks

#11

[quote]eatmorefood wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
are you on or off right now?

even though Raloxifene is a SERM, it is not that effective at raising LH/test, but it has been shown to reverse pubertal gyno.

i’d add that to whatever AI you’re running.

if you’re on cycle and supression isn’t an issue, then Andractim is also an option, which is a DHT topical cream…[/quote]

I’m on cycle. Test/Tren I’ve been running adex at .5EOD and will be changing that to ED. Letro has been ordered and I paid for express shipping which I hope means overnight. I’m assuming it will get here before I could get my hands on anything else. I’m just hoping to stall any more formation until I can get going with the Letro. If the Letro doesn’t kick it I will look into the Ralox.

Thanks[/quote]

are you running anything for prolactin?

#12

Like cyco said, could be due to prolactin, and seems like running tne is just asking for unstable estro levels, no?

#13

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Like cyco said, could be due to prolactin, and seems like running tne is just asking for unstable estro levels, no?[/quote]

If I remember correctly prolactin gyno is different than estrogen related gyno, that no actually lump is formed but your areolas start getting bigger.

#14

Yes i believe youre right. My fault. But is puffy nipples really considered gyno?

#15

I’m running Prami at 1mg/day. It’s estrogen related. I’m sure the TNE caused unstable levels. I’ve ran that before without issue. I’ll be taking Adex at .5 daily until the Letro gets here. Strange thing is I don’t feel any estrogen sides either. Furthermore nips aren’t puffy, itchy, they were slight;y sensitive yesterday which is what made me check for a mass. It is certainly there and I’m positive its early stage gyno. On a positive note upon waking the nips aren’t sensitive. Masses are still there but I think all should be good.

#16

TNE is gyno in a bottle

#17

Never had a problem before. I guess things can change. I won’t be using it again.

#18

You sure they havent been there for a while and youre just now discovering them?

#19

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Yes i believe youre right. My fault. But is puffy nipples really considered gyno?[/quote]

No, but it’s a sign of estrogenic activity in the tissue.

#20

[quote]eatmorefood wrote:
I’m running Prami at 1mg/day. It’s estrogen related. I’m sure the TNE caused unstable levels. I’ve ran that before without issue. I’ll be taking Adex at .5 daily until the Letro gets here. Strange thing is I don’t feel any estrogen sides either. Furthermore nips aren’t puffy, itchy, they were slight;y sensitive yesterday which is what made me check for a mass. It is certainly there and I’m positive its early stage gyno. On a positive note upon waking the nips aren’t sensitive. Masses are still there but I think all should be good.[/quote]

I’d up the adex like your doing and and some Nolva until you get the letro