Gun Rights

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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Can we take them away 3 days a month?

I’m not against firearms in principle (and I own a gun) but when I think about the population at large, the idea that a sizable percentage of these dipshits could be carrying scares the shit out of me. I’m uncomfortable enough seeing the people who are allowed to drive and have children.

From a practical perspective I think the gun alone isn’t of much use. A person in a public place can’t draw on, let alone shoot, anyone who comes near them and yet once someone is within 10 feet they can close distance and take down the weaker target before they can draw, relaese the safety, point and click, even assuming that they’re brazen enough to come from the front. This is putting aside the issue of whether a person is even willing to shoot in the first place.

It may not please people, but going back inside and getting a male escort is probably still the best option even if it isn’t politically correct.

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[quote]toddjacobs13 wrote:
I am surprised that nobody’s law enforcement buddies have mentioned the 21-foot rule.

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/ForceScience/articles/102828/

Make sure that your girlfriend draws down on everyone who approaches her within 21 feet while on campus. Or maybe a knife and the buddy system might be safer, if security is truly a top priority?

Todd[/quote]

you can always call campus security for an escort.
or study with this guy :

http://www.sabretactical.com/CAR/Reload.mpg

to raise your skills above those of the “average officer”.

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[quote]LNEX wrote:

I have a good friend that is a cop and he also taught self defence classes, and he said unless your willing to kill, and are handy with a gun they could be the worst thing you could bring to a fight…if your not willing to kill the person or just don’t know how to use it you might as well hand it over to the person. so yes pepper spray can be better because your not as afraid of using it on someone.

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That’s why, you will notice, I included the words “and the skill to use it efficiently” in the post above.

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Mikeyali, I’ve looked at the University of Idaho Student Code of conduct and the Administrative Procedures manual, and both do specifically prohibit firearms on campus, with a few exceptions. She can, for example, bring her pistol to the Memorial Gym firing range, as long as it is cased and unloaded, with a trigger lock in place (thanks a lot!)

However, Idaho is a “shall issue” state, so if your girlfriend is 21 or over, has no criminal record, and can legally own and demonstrate proficiency with a handgun, then the sheriff of the county must issue her a concealed carry license within ninety days of her applying for one.

I would run this by a lawyer first, but apparently she would not be violating any state, county or city ordinance by carrying concealed on campus, only university policy. God forbid she should ever have to use the weapon, but if she does, at least she won’t be breaking any “real” laws.

If she is not already proficient with her handgun, then I suggest she receive competent coaching on drawing, stance, aiming, breath control, trigger control and reloading, as well as weapon retention and combat mindset. When she can consistently draw from concealed carry, and achieve first-round hits at ranges between arms-length and seven meters, in under two seconds, then she may consider herself well-armed.

She should also read two books: In the Gravest Extreme by Massad Ayoob, and Principles of Personal Defence by Jeff Cooper.

Best of luck to both of you.

V

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
Yeah, man. Let’s all carry guns. That would be so cool. We could take em to the mall the grocery store, everywhere. That would be so cool. Kinda like the wild west.

WAKE UP MORONS! YOU ALL CAN’T BE THAT STUPID. Don’t you know who has a gun problem already?
[/quote]

I thought you lived in PA. Everyone already carries a gun in PA. Where have you been?

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[quote]Kainjer wrote:
If you’re going to pull it out, pull it out smoking.[/quote]

Jesus, I hope not…that would mean you just shot yourself in the pants! :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote

I thought you lived in PA. Everyone already carries a gun in PA. Where have you been?[/quote]

http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote

I thought you lived in PA. Everyone already carries a gun in PA. Where have you been?

http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html[/quote]

What is your point? Everyone carries a gun already. Your original post made it seem you didn’t know we were already heavily armed.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

Was more thinking that criminals are opportunists.Young lady,exposed firearm,two or three bad guys loitering about…[/quote]

Opportunistic and stupid are two different things. If three bad guys are going to target a young lady, it’s not because she’s armed. Same rule applies, if I did the math right, 3 guys could get 3 guns in about 150 ways other than attacking an armed person. Also, the odds of getting attacked/raped aren’t enormous to begin with, I’m figuring the odds of it happening in order to obtain a firearm to be ridiculously slim and only attempted by the insane or utterly stupid.

Although, wrt to your assertion, a replica with a backup weapon (chemical, edged, striking, or firearm) would be a good idea for everyone. If you’re targeted, the replica becomes the perp’s No.1 priority allowing the victim to exercise more options. It would also, IMO, allow more leeway when trying to justify the use of force. But you’d have to be really ardent/fanatic/paranoid to walk around tooled up like that all the time.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

Was more thinking that criminals are opportunists.Young lady,exposed firearm,two or three bad guys loitering about…

Opportunistic and stupid are two different things. If three bad guys are going to target a young lady, it’s not because she’s armed. Same rule applies, if I did the math right, 3 guys could get 3 guns in about 150 ways other than attacking an armed person. Also, the odds of getting attacked/raped aren’t enormous to begin with, I’m figuring the odds of it happening in order to obtain a firearm to be ridiculously slim and only attempted by the insane or utterly stupid.

Although, wrt to your assertion, a replica with a backup weapon (chemical, edged, striking, or firearm) would be a good idea for everyone. If you’re targeted, the replica becomes the perp’s No.1 priority allowing the victim to exercise more options. It would also, IMO, allow more leeway when trying to justify the use of force. But you’d have to be really ardent/fanatic/paranoid to walk around tooled up like that all the time.

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Beyond the capability of most civilians I would think. However what you described is a version of what used to be called the “NYPD 3 gun carry”

In the 60’s when violence against police was very high and police often confronted mobs of people. They mob often wrestled cops to the ground and took their weapons. The NYPD came up with a novel idea. The gun in the belt holster was carried empty. A second duty weapon was carried under the coat or shirt. A third weapon, the backup, on the ankle. That way if the pistol was taken away by a crowd of mob, they had an empty gun, the cop a loaded one.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

What is your point? Everyone carries a gun already. Your original post made it seem you didn’t know we were already heavily armed.[/quote]

Everyone? or only those who are … afraid.

Is that it? Are you afraid?

Go talk to somebody. There isn’t anything to be afraid of.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

What is your point? Everyone carries a gun already. Your original post made it seem you didn’t know we were already heavily armed.

Everyone? or only those who are … afraid.

Is that it? Are you afraid?

Go talk to somebody. There isn’t anything to be afraid of.[/quote]

Afraid of what? I don’t know where you live but around here almost every man has his carry permit from company presidents to laborers.

Even the old insurance execs in my neighborhood have handguns and carry permits and we don’t need to lock our doors at night.

You seem remarkably ill informed on most subjects. No offense to the other high schoolers that post here that seem pretty cool, but you come across like a high school sophomore.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

What is your point? Everyone carries a gun already. Your original post made it seem you didn’t know we were already heavily armed.

Everyone? or only those who are … afraid.

Is that it? Are you afraid?

Go talk to somebody. There isn’t anything to be afraid of.[/quote]

Let me ask you something, Skystud:

When you get into a car, do you buckle your seatbelt?

When you step into a small boat, do you wear a life preserver?

And when you ride a motorcycle, do you wear a helmet?

If you answered “no” to these questions, then I would have to conclude that you are a fool.

Because your answers are probably “yes”, however, my next question is, do you do these things because you live in fear that you will get into an accident, drown, or crush your skull?

Of course not. Big studly guy like you, fear is not in your vocabulary. But having them is a lot more comfortable than not having them, right?

A handgun carried for self-defence is like a seat belt, a motorcycle helmet or a life preserver: you will probably never need it, but if you ever do need it, you really need it.

One more question. Why are you afraid of weapons?

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[quote]etaco wrote:

It may not please people, but going back inside and getting a male escort is probably still the best option even if it isn’t politically correct.[/quote]

This argument is a ridiculous non-sequitir. Like many of us “Internet Badasses” said, If the situation is at the point where a handgun is needed/involved you won’t be able to go back inside to get a male escort.

And if you do, you’ll likely both get shot.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

What is your point? Everyone carries a gun already. Your original post made it seem you didn’t know we were already heavily armed.

Everyone? or only those who are … afraid.

Is that it? Are you afraid?

Go talk to somebody. There isn’t anything to be afraid of.

Let me ask you something, Skystud:

When you get into a car, do you buckle your seatbelt?

When you step into a small boat, do you wear a life preserver?

And when you ride a motorcycle, do you wear a helmet?

If you answered “no” to these questions, then I would have to conclude that you are a fool.

Because your answers are probably “yes”, however, my next question is, do you do these things because you live in fear that you will get into an accident, drown, or crush your skull?

Of course not. Big studly guy like you, fear is not in your vocabulary. But having them is a lot more comfortable than not having them, right?

A handgun carried for self-defence is like a seat belt, a motorcycle helmet or a life preserver: you will probably never need it, but if you ever do need it, you really need it.

One more question. Why are you afraid of weapons?

[/quote]
Not afraid of weapons.
Not afraid of people either.
In fact, I used to have a colt 45, Marlin 30/30, Walther ppk 22 and a Winchester xp 100. I used to love firing an m-16.
I just think if fewer people carried fewer guns, fewer people would die. I have long since sold all my weapons. I just grew tired of killing things. Why would I ever want to kill someone. If someone wants to kill me, I don’t care. I just don’t want to kill anyone. Even if they want to kill me. I wish everyone felt like this, then we wouldn’t have people killing each other everyday in this country. That’s why.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

Afraid of what? I don’t know where you live but around here almost every man has his carry permit from company presidents to laborers.

Even the old insurance execs in my neighborhood have handguns and carry permits and we don’t need to lock our doors at night.

You seem remarkably ill informed on most subjects. No offense to the other high schoolers that post here that seem pretty cool, but you come across like a high school sophomore.[/quote]

I don’t know where you live, but where I live people usually don’t carry guns.
You might want to move to a nicer neighborhood.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
If someone wants to kill me, I don’t care. I just don’t want to kill anyone. Even if they want to kill me. I wish everyone felt like this, then we wouldn’t have people killing each other everyday in this country. That’s why.
[/quote]

Right up until we’re invaded by people who DO want to kill us…

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

Afraid of what? I don’t know where you live but around here almost every man has his carry permit from company presidents to laborers.

Even the old insurance execs in my neighborhood have handguns and carry permits and we don’t need to lock our doors at night.

You seem remarkably ill informed on most subjects. No offense to the other high schoolers that post here that seem pretty cool, but you come across like a high school sophomore.

I don’t know where you live, but where I live people usually don’t carry guns.
You might want to move to a nicer neighborhood.
[/quote]

No reading comprehension.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:

Not afraid of weapons.
Not afraid of people either.
In fact, I used to have a colt 45, Marlin 30/30, Walther ppk 22 and a Winchester xp 100. I used to love firing an m-16.
I just think if fewer people carried fewer guns, fewer people would die. I have long since sold all my weapons. I just grew tired of killing things. Why would I ever want to kill someone. If someone wants to kill me, I don’t care. I just don’t want to kill anyone. Even if they want to kill me. I wish everyone felt like this, then we wouldn’t have people killing each other everyday in this country. That’s why.
[/quote]

Well, that’s a beautiful sentiment, I suppose, but an unrealistic one. Unfortunately there exists in this world a minority of people who very much want to do evil to their fellow humans, as much as you or I or anyone may wish that it were otherwise.

You may not care if an attacker kills you, but what about your parents, or your children, or your sister, or your wife? Does your apathy for your own life and well-being extend to them as well?

I don’t want to kill anyone either. I have been trained to do so, at government expense, but I would rather not, if I can avoid it. However, I cannot agree with your implied statement that an attacker’s life is worth more than my own, or the life of someone I love.

Therefore, if attacked, I will fight. If my family or friends are attacked, I will fight. I would rather be armed than unarmed when fighting, because I can fight more effectively with a weapon than without. This is not fear, this is common sense.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Skystud wrote:

Afraid of what? I don’t know where you live but around here almost every man has his carry permit from company presidents to laborers.

Even the old insurance execs in my neighborhood have handguns and carry permits and we don’t need to lock our doors at night.

You seem remarkably ill informed on most subjects. No offense to the other high schoolers that post here that seem pretty cool, but you come across like a high school sophomore.

I don’t know where you live, but where I live people usually don’t carry guns.
You might want to move to a nicer neighborhood.

No reading comprehension.[/quote]

no, really. You should move. Why do you have a problem with that. If you lived in a safer area, maybe you wouldn’t want to kill anybody. But hey, that’s just me knuckle head.