Gun Love II

I’ll disagree with the revolver recommendations and I consider it one of the biggest myths for a new shooter. Revolvers do fuck up, double action only models are hard to shoot, and a handgun is hard to learn how to shoot as it is, and you’ll just end up dejected and frustrated.

Get any of the reputable semi-autos (Sig, S&W, Glock, H&K, etc.) in 9mm, a quality holster (not a SERPA) look at Raven concealment and the Safariland ALS if you want an outside the wasteband, and as much ammo as you can afford, then go shoot a lot.

Take some classes from a reputable instructor (the basic NRA classes are a bit slow). I will say there is a first shots class that they take you to a range and put one of every broad type of gun in your hand and let you shoot it that is useful.

22 pistols are OK, but you have to find one that runs reliably and there’s only a couple out there that do.

After that, don’t do anything stupid and have fun. You do have to be aware and follow some basic safety rules, but if you can drive a car you can safely own a gun.

[quote]theuofh wrote:

22 pistols are OK, but you have to find one that runs reliably and there’s only a couple out there that do.

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IMO, learning to fix the failures, ipso facto learning your firearm, is all part of the appeal.

And my recommendation with the revolver isn’t so much “reliable” as it is, there is less going on to fuck up, easier to clean, etc.


While we’re doing 1911 porn, here’s my Colt 1911 XS. It was the first firearm I bought when I turned 21, and is worth almost twice what I paid for it new.

To the guy who wanted to buy his first firearm I would say you’ll probably be all right if you buy an automatic. Just do like Twojarslave says and take classes and learn to use your firearm, and don’t be a dumbass. Definitely don’t keep it loaded or consider using it for home defense until you’ve had some classes and some experience shooting.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And my recommendation with the revolver isn’t so much “reliable” as it is, there is less going on to fuck up, easier to clean, etc. [/quote]

I disagree; I do believe a revolver is more reliable under tough circumstances.

For example, my “truck” pistol is mounted by means of really strong rubber-covered magnets that are, in turn, bolted to a location within easy grasp of myself in the driver’s seat.

It’s hot in a car and ammo does, indeed, go bad. In the case of a revolver, you just pull the trigger again, whereas with a semi-auto, you have to mess around with the slide.

Above is said truck gun. It’s a S&W performance center .357. My six shooter has two extra surprises, as well, not counting the compensator.

Also, to the guy looking to buy his first gun: I second the recommendation that you take classes where you can shoot a variety of pistols before you buy a pistol. It might feel good in your hand in the store, but you still might not shoot it well. Sometimes it’s not you, it’s ergonomics of the pistol. You’ll also read reviews on line in which they talk about the ergonomics of a pistol, but that is really subjective and something you have to test for yourself. By shooting.

This is for Justliftbrah.

The first firearm I ever fired was a Remington single-shot bolt action .22. Not very sexy in our present tacti-cool century, but with this rifle I learned everything I needed to know about the fundamentals of shooting: position, hold, breath control, front sight, trigger control, elevation, windage, and trajectory.

I was eight years old, but I’ll never forget the instructor’s words as he held aloft a tiny golden cartridge: “this is a twenty-two long rifle cartridge. The bullet can travel over one mile, faster than the speed of sound, and can kill anyone here.”

This, more so than the memorization of the famous “four rules” taught me about respect of the weapon and what it could do. And once I saw my first targets with those little deadly holes punched in the black bull, I realized that I, little eight year old me, could actually direct this awesome deadly force. It was exhilarating and sobering at the same time. That feeling has stayed with me ever since, and though I’ve since then owned and fired weapons that dwarf the .22 many, many times over, I can’t help feeling a great respect for the cartridge and the rifle.

Sure, these days everyone wants a Glock and an AR, but I would definitely recommend a solid .22 rifle as a first firearm for anyone, whether they are eight or forty-eight. Learn the fundamentals on a .22, then graduate to a centerfire rifle or carbine. Only when the centerfire rifle has been mastered would I recommend picking up a handgun. Probably a .22 revolver as Push recommends, then a centerfire double-action revolver.

As far as brand and caliber go, allow me to make four recommendations: the Ruger 10/22 magnum, the Ruger 44 magnum carbine, the Ruger Single-Six, and the Ruger RedHawk in .44 magnum with a four-inch barrel. In that order. Four guns, two calibers, one manufacturer that makes extremely sturdy, inexpensive, well-made firearms.

The benefit of the magnum chambering is that you can use regular lower-powered .22 LR and .44 Special for learning and practice (and also defense, which the .44 special is perfectly adequate for) and the magnum loads for hunting. This will carry you a long, long way, and will cost you a lot less than you might expect.

Best of luck to you.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.luckygunner.com/1000-rounds-of-9mm-ammo-by-federal-115gr-fmj[/quote]

Speaking of this, I have a local source who is liquidating their .40 S&W FMJ ammo in the $.26 - .30 range.

(1000 rd cases)[/quote]

I’ve never shot .40. Is it as snappy as every one says it is?

And, if it is, is it the ammo or the design of the gun?

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.luckygunner.com/1000-rounds-of-9mm-ammo-by-federal-115gr-fmj[/quote]

Speaking of this, I have a local source who is liquidating their .40 S&W FMJ ammo in the $.26 - .30 range.

(1000 rd cases)[/quote]

I’ve never shot .40. Is it as snappy as every one says it is?

And, if it is, is it the ammo or the design of the gun?[/quote]

The .40 S&W is comparable to a hot .38 special. Which makes sense, considering its big brother, the 10mm auto, is comparable to a heavy .357 magnum.

If you are not shooting a .45 ACP auto handgun, even in wartime, you are not shooting a gun.

Might as well be using a sling shot.

Just letting everyone know…

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.luckygunner.com/1000-rounds-of-9mm-ammo-by-federal-115gr-fmj[/quote]

Speaking of this, I have a local source who is liquidating their .40 S&W FMJ ammo in the $.26 - .30 range.

(1000 rd cases)[/quote]

I’ve never shot .40. Is it as snappy as every one says it is?

And, if it is, is it the ammo or the design of the gun?[/quote]

The .40 S&W is comparable to a hot .38 special. Which makes sense, considering its big brother, the 10mm auto, is comparable to a heavy .357 magnum.[/quote]

This pretty much pegs it.
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The gun does matter too. I RO a steel match and we have a female shooter who shoots a sub-compact Glock 27. That gun will recoil and muzzle flip much worse than say an all steel USPSA limited gun.

I was playing with Beretta M9 clones and the CZs in 9mm, and they shoot flatter with less flip than my 19 and 34. A lot of the competition crowd started migrating over to the CZs a couple years ago compared to the polymer wonders.


Just picked up, shot, and stippled this G43. Besides the limited capacity (which is easily remedied by the Taran tactical extended base plates) I think Glock nailed this.

PS I will be getting my ffl soon for stippling…

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just picked up, shot, and stippled this G43. Besides the limited capacity (which is easily remedied by the Taran tactical extended base plates) I think Glock nailed this.

PS I will be getting my ffl soon for stippling…[/quote]

Awesome! How much would you charge to stipple a glock and take off the finger grooves?

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just picked up, shot, and stippled this G43. Besides the limited capacity (which is easily remedied by the Taran tactical extended base plates) I think Glock nailed this.

PS I will be getting my ffl soon for stippling…[/quote]

Awesome! How much would you charge to stipple a glock and take off the finger grooves?[/quote]

Thanks! I think I will be starting pricing at $115

Yeah man, I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again. Yours is the only stipple job I’ve ever seen and liked. You do good work.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If you are not shooting a .45 ACP auto handgun, even in wartime, you are not [/quote]

A “gun” is artillery or your penis. (Are we so PC recruits are no longer taught “This is my rifle; this is my gun”?) A pistol is a pistol.

Regardless of size, all a pistol is useful for is fighting your way to your rifle.

Regarding the .45, I have one (posted on this thread) only because the rounds are subsonic, and thus work well with a suppressor. The rounds take up a lot of space, so you can get a .40 that has 16 rounds in it for the same size of a .45 that has 7. Given they wound about the same, I’d take more bullets.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If you are not shooting a .45 ACP auto handgun, even in wartime, you are not [/quote]

A “gun” is artillery or your penis. (Are we so PC recruits are no longer taught “This is my rifle; this is my gun”?) A pistol is a pistol.

Regardless of size, all a pistol is useful for is fighting your way to your rifle.

Regarding the .45, I have one (posted on this thread) only because the rounds are subsonic, and thus work well with a suppressor. The rounds take up a lot of space, so you can get a .40 that has 16 rounds in it for the same size of a .45 that has 7. Given they wound about the same, I’d take more bullets.[/quote]

Joke. I only carry a .40 single stack and whatever rifle a choose for the day. I also have random pocket knives that I pull out of the rotation.

Though, I have never thought about body armour. I just ran across some hard level III that weighs about 18-20 oz a plate. So, I might put that into my system. I work/live in a pretty rough neighborhoods (by choice) and we’ve had a few people pull out guns so it has been pulled to the front of my mind especially after I saw how light the plates can be.