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Grim's Cycle

I’m putting together my 10 week cycle and after getting some VERY valuable knowledge around here (Thanks FG!), I decided to post a cycle idea I had…

This trainee has a decade and a half of weight training experience, has put on over 80 lbs. of mass during that time without the use of AAS. Weight is 200, height just under 6 feet. Bodyfat is low(ish) – some vascularity increases as of late, esp. near serratus, obliques, abs quite visible, etc.

Anticipating an influx of calories at or about 5,000 while on cycle, trainee is steadily increasing in 500 calorie increments from a start of 3,500 kCal/daily. Macronutrient profiles are set for 60/25/15.

Current activity levels:
Weight training: M-F 1 hour
Cardio: T-Th-Sat .5 hr (HR 120 BPM)

At current 3,500 calorie level, elimination of bodyfat as well as an increase in strength is occurring.

W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-10 Deca 275 mg 1x/w
W 5-8 Dbol 5 mg 4x/d
W 1-9 Adex .25mg EOD / W 10 .125mg EOD - optional
W 1-10 Nolva 20mg/d - optional - if gyno symptoms start to show
W 1-10 HCG 250iu (2x/w or E3D)

PCT
W 12-15 Nolva at 40mg/d, 40mg/d, 20mg/d, and 20mg/d each week

Thanks for reading!

TGR

It is going to take the deca longer to clear your system prior to PCT. Either extend the test or cut short the deca. I would just add another week of test.

you are best to run the adex right to week 10 at that dose and then taper down during week 11 when your test esters are tapering down the test dose so you keep a balance. Tapering adex is a very good idea because if you have taken estro levels below normal during the cycle your receptors get upregulated, if there is a sudden spike in estrogen after that you may end up with gyno at the end of the cycle (called rebound gyno).

like pain said cut the deca short at about 8 weeks or run the test to 12 weeks so the esters are clearing at the same time.

Pain and Furious,

Thanks so much, I really appreciate the feedback. I’m altering my trainee’s plan according to what I hope I understood correctly:

Enth will run 12 wks.
Adex will run consistent through 1-10 then taper at week 11.
Week 14 PCT will commence.
I hope I understood properly. If I blew it, I’ll have to make it up to my trainee by buying him a bra. :-\

TGR

W 1-12 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-10 Deca 275 mg 1x/w
W 5-8 Dbol 5 mg 4x/d
W 1-10 Adex .25mg EOD / W 11 .125mg EOD
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d - optional - if gyno symptoms start to show
W 1-12 HCG 250iu (2x/w or E3D)

PCT
W 14-17 Nolva at 40mg/d, 40mg/d, 20mg/d, and 20mg/d each week

[quote]TheGrimRepper wrote:

W 1-12 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-10 Deca 275 mg 1x/w
W 5-8 Dbol 5 mg 4x/d
W 1-10 Adex .25mg EOD / W 11 .125mg EOD
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d - optional - if gyno symptoms start to show
W 1-12 HCG 250iu (2x/w or E3D)

PCT
W 14-17 Nolva at 40mg/d, 40mg/d, 20mg/d, and 20mg/d each week
[/quote]

Looks good to me.

[quote]2thepain wrote:
TheGrimRepper wrote:

W 1-12 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-10 Deca 275 mg 1x/w
W 5-8 Dbol 5 mg 4x/d
W 1-10 Adex .25mg EOD / W 11 .125mg EOD
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d - optional - if gyno symptoms start to show
W 1-12 HCG 250iu (2x/w or E3D)

PCT
W 14-17 Nolva at 40mg/d, 40mg/d, 20mg/d, and 20mg/d each week

Looks good to me.[/quote]

Thanks again sir, you rock.

TGR

why not inject the deca 2x/week if u are already goin to pin yourself anyway? not that i would think it would make a huge difference i just always have done so.

Why wait til W5-8 to run the dbol? Seems like you’d want to run it W1-4. I’m not challenging you, just curious.

[quote]ajax11 wrote:
Why wait til W5-8 to run the dbol? Seems like you’d want to run it W1-4. I’m not challenging you, just curious.[/quote]

a lot of guys, including me like introducing the d-bol once the class I’s are already in full effect, it gives you more bang for you buck per say

[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
why not inject the deca 2x/week if u are already goin to pin yourself anyway? not that i would think it would make a huge difference i just always have done so.[/quote]

Actually, that’s a great point (no pun intended!)…

The blood concentrations would likely be more stable with no spikes if done 2x/week with the enth injections rather than once with only one of them. The thought being the injectable with the shortest half life dictates injection frequency of the others.

Thanks!

TGR