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Greatest T-Man of All Time?

I was just watching “The Babe” with John Goodman. If the one scene is actually true, Babe Ruth is the greatest “T-man” of all time.

He was in his rural home with his newly wed wife and was just acting very restless. His wife wanted to go over baby names, but Ruth got “a craving.” His wife said, “Babe, how about Dorothy or maybe…” and trailed off as she saw the Babe wasn’t paying attention.

The Babe said, “I have a craving for a 20 oz steak” so then he just walked out the door and drove to the city for a steak and some dancing.

The thing that hit me the most about the whole thing was that even if those actual things never happened, the lesson is; Babe Ruth was a T-man of extreme degree and marriage held him back. He was too much of a free spirit to be shackled the way his wife wanted him to be. She even said to him, “Babe, you’re not one of those people now, you’re married.”

Now, I wonder how many more home runs the Babe would have hit had he been in shape and free to live his t-man lifestyle sans the outrageous food intake…or at least, lifting would have given those nutrients another place to go besides his gut…

What a guy.

how does that make him a t-man at all? because he bails on important decisions to go eat and pick up?

seems there are a lot more t-men around us then we thought…

[quote]ZedLeppelin wrote:
how does that make him a t-man at all? because he bails on important decisions to go eat and pick up?

seems there are a lot more t-men around us then we thought…[/quote]

He was just an independent soul, a free-spirited and gifted athlete with no time for bullshit.

[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
ZedLeppelin wrote:
how does that make him a t-man at all? because he bails on important decisions to go eat and pick up?

seems there are a lot more t-men around us then we thought…

He was just an independent soul, a free-spirited and gifted athlete with no time for bullshit. [/quote]

I thought he was also an alcoholic and cheated on his wife several times.

bullshit like … getting up and leaving his wife to have a steak?

sounds more like a jerk than anything

oh but hey, he could hit a ball

there are prob. millions of guys out there just like him, who can’t hit a ball, and we call them fat slob jerks

… note i am not having a go at babe but at the idea of respecting this behaviour

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
there are prob. millions of guys out there just like him, who can’t hit a ball, and we call them fat slob jerks

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This is a valid and very funny point.


dhuge:

I see where you coming from…but “The Babe” would be as far away from one as you could get.

As I’ve read over the year’s what TC has said about being a “true” T-man (keep in mind that it is a term and construct defined and refined over the years by TC)…irresponsibility would eliminate “The Babe” BIG time.

If you want to look at the movies, a MUCH closer character (among many) would be the depiction of Heavyweight Champ James Braddock in “The Cinderella Man”.

Sure…there is always a lot of “artistic license” in Hollywood…but based on what I’ve seen TC post in the past, Braddock would be MUCH closer than “The Babe”.

Anyway…just my thoughts!

Mufasa

By the way…

Based on TC’s definition over the years, there are MANY “T-men” that many of us have met over the course of our lives…

Extraordinary, ordinary guys, that we can all look up to…

Mufasa

One time my girlfriend was like “Honey, do you think I should take my grandmother off life support?” and I was like “fuck this shit, i’m going out to drink some beers and slap strippers on the ass”

I’m the greatest T-man of all time


Is this really up to debate?

You’re missing the point. His wife was being boring and selfish and he called her on it. She wanted to talk about baby names, but was a long way away from delivery and the Babe didn’t want to throw away a perfectly good evening by just sitting at home.

:wink:

No, everyone is missing your point, dhuge. You’re living “free,” vicariously through the Babe.

A real T-Man doesn’t live any way but as he chooses. If it’s staying at home thinking of names for his manly progeny, so be it. Why couldn’t he cook his steak at home? He was afraid of settling down.

Are you afraid, dhuge?

“Virtuous bad boys”

I don’t think you know what the virtuous in that phrase means, Dhuge.

Look it up :slight_smile: That should shed some light on what a real T-man is.

[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
You’re missing the point. His wife was being boring and selfish and he called her on it. She wanted to talk about baby names, but was a long way away from delivery and the Babe didn’t want to throw away a perfectly good evening by just sitting at home.

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I think any movie done about The Babe, unless more of a true documentary, is going to gloss over every negative portion of his life in order to make him more of a hero.

From what I’ve read over the years, those dark areas took up a significant part of his life. Times were different then, however, just like that discussion about Marilyn Monroe in relation to Anna Nicole Smith. There were fewer cameras around. That is why actors who overdosed on drugs in early movies were all said to have overdosed on “sleeping pills”. there was much ‘massaging’ of the truth as opposed to media today that tries to expose every dirty little secret.

He was a great baseball player for his time. I wouldn’t hold him up as more than that.

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[quote]mr_slick wrote:
Is this really up to debate?

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I vote for The Lord Humongous. The ayatollah of rockin rolla! The ruler of the waste land!

It seems like I’ve read TC figuratively “pull his hair out” because so many have equated "being a “T-Man” with “beer swigging/nut scratching/blowing-shit-up” irresponsibility.

I just don’t think that’s the case…

Mufasa

(P.S. Well…maybe nut scratching…but you get my point!)

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

(P.S. Well…maybe nut scratching…but you get my point!)[/quote]

ahh… nut scratching.

Even if we limit it to other John Goodman roles, we can find better examples of T-men. How about Delbert the exterminator in Arachnaphobia? Now, there’s a true testosterone-dripping stud!

[quote]dragonmamma wrote:
Even if we limit it to other John Goodman roles, we can find better examples of T-men. How about Delbert the exterminator in Arachnaphobia? Now, there’s a true testosterone-dripping stud![/quote]

LOL