[quote]mldj wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
drewh wrote:
Whoa prime Cro Cop and Nog, Anderson beat Hendo, Rich Franklin twice, Griffin Marquardt how are you going to punish A Silva for not being in a bad position.
Fedor has beaten better fighters and its a fact.
No,it’s not. It’s opinion.
And to somewhat follow what Xen stated: A.Silva was once top of the food chain at 170. He beat Hayato Sakurai…who was considered best P4P fighter at the time. The UFC tried to get Silva when he was at 170 to challenge Matt Hughes,but he didn’t like the UFC’s offer. Now imagine if that deal came together…imagine if we had the privilege to witness Hughes,GSP,and Silva in same division at that time.
To get back on track,there is something to be said for a fighter who can be successful in three weight divisions. Yes,Fedor is the most dominating champion of the group. But if you’re going to bother with P4P discussions(which I usually despise)…you must re-evaluate what P4P means in the first place.
I didn’t want to chime in pointlessly to this train-wreck of a thread, but I wanted to comment on your post
When exactly was Mach “best P4P fighter”? He was dominant before facing Silva and Hughes, but keep in mind that naturally, his frame puts him between lightweight and welterweight. A. Silva was successful in three divisions, but to what extent?
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Sakurai was considered by many to be one of…if not,the best P4P fighter before he lost to Silva…whether you agree or not,that was the talk back then. Also,remember that I said “can be” successful in three weight classes. He has shown the potential to do so…and the fact the he challenges himself in other weight classes has to count for something.
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In welterweight, he lost to Luiz Azeredo, (who is one of my favorite fighters, but still - more of a lightweight) and Ryo Chonan. In light-heavyweight he has only 2 bouts - one against Irvin and one against Griffin. Forrest is a respectable opponent, but when him or Jardine go out in spectacular fashion, I can’t help but note to myself that they are very, very hit-or-miss.
The Spider is a great fighter, but he had the privilege of getting his Serra moments, while he was in organization far less media-oriented and without clear, organized champion-oriented fighter hierarchy, compared to the UFC.[/quote]
So PRIDE was less organized than the UFC back then? I think not. The UFC was struggling with sanctioning(and acceptance) when PRIDE was going strong. Hell,PRIDE’s first Grand Prix took place before the UFC had it’s first sanctioned event. The UFC didn’t become relevant until the Fertittas/White purchased it in 2001.