Greatest Ever Mr. O Physique

xilinx · October 30, 2011, 9:09pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

ProfX, people won’t come to Vegas to see an Olympia where such a physique wins??[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Back then, he was one of the biggest dudes on stage.

Today, he would not be.

He also competed recently enough for most people to still remember it.

Today, they would likely treat him like Ced Mcmillan is being treated…hyped but constantly pushed to get even bigger…which is exactly what Wheeler ended up doing.

That is why you guys didn’t pick a vid of his later career.

You picked this one.[/quote]

I’m not ‘they’ or ‘you guys’. I AM saying, if aesthetics were placed highest, there would be a stage full of flex-type competitors, and no one would be pushed to get bigger, just refine. Ronnie wasn’t all bad early on (well, there are those strange abdominals).
Dont know what would have become of Rhul, then. Probably the same - compete for the fans of Freak, place more or less the same.
I say, make 2 olympias - O Aesthetics, and O Size. Ruhl must be enjoying doing what he does, and has his fans, so why not.

Professor_X · October 30, 2011, 9:31pm

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

ProfX, people won’t come to Vegas to see an Olympia where such a physique wins??[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Back then, he was one of the biggest dudes on stage.

Today, he would not be.

He also competed recently enough for most people to still remember it.

Today, they would likely treat him like Ced Mcmillan is being treated…hyped but constantly pushed to get even bigger…which is exactly what Wheeler ended up doing.

That is why you guys didn’t pick a vid of his later career.

You picked this one.[/quote]

I’m not ‘they’ or ‘you guys’. I AM saying, if aesthetics were placed highest, there would be a stage full of flex-type competitors, and no one would be pushed to get bigger, just refine. Ronnie wasn’t all bad early on (well, there are those strange abdominals).
Dont know what would have become of Rhul, then. Probably the same - compete for the fans of Freak, place more or less the same.
I say, make 2 olympias - O Aesthetics, and O Size. Ruhl must be enjoying doing what he does, and has his fans, so why not.[/quote]

The thing is, this comes down to MONEY. Yeah, in an ideal world, the most “aesthetic” person would always win a bodybuilding contest.

They already have a 202 class and it keeps getting dominated by one of the biggest short fuckers on the planet.

The judges decide that…and then the fans reinforce by buying the mags with them in the cover.

Trust me, if the look you mention sold to fans of bodybuilding, it would already be happening.

…so tell me…when was the last muscle mag you bought?

BONEZ217 · October 30, 2011, 9:56pm

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

ProfX, people won’t come to Vegas to see an Olympia where such a physique wins??[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Back then, he was one of the biggest dudes on stage.

Today, he would not be.

He also competed recently enough for most people to still remember it.

Today, they would likely treat him like Ced Mcmillan is being treated…hyped but constantly pushed to get even bigger…which is exactly what Wheeler ended up doing.

That is why you guys didn’t pick a vid of his later career.

You picked this one.[/quote]

I’m not ‘they’ or ‘you guys’. I AM saying, if aesthetics were placed highest, there would be a stage full of flex-type competitors, and no one would be pushed to get bigger, just refine. Ronnie wasn’t all bad early on (well, there are those strange abdominals).
Dont know what would have become of Rhul, then. Probably the same - compete for the fans of Freak, place more or less the same.
I say, make 2 olympias - O Aesthetics, and O Size. Ruhl must be enjoying doing what he does, and has his fans, so why not.[/quote]

Your argument loses big time when you start diving aesthetics and size into two categories.

Aesthetics is a much more general category. Size is a part of aethetics.

You seem to be valuing a very specific type of muscle proportion. But proportional ideals change very frequently in this sport.

The past 8-9 years or so (save for 2008) has placed a very high premium on the width of the upper body and striations in the legs. This year it seems that muscle roundness and a more dramatic X frame was preferred.

Basically, aesthetics and size are absolutely not mutually exclusive. Someone with the best genetics possible for muscle belly roundness, wide clavicles, small joints, etc, will not have good aesthetics if he’s small as shit.

Lastly, Flex Wheeler was never small. He was close to beating Ronnie at his best but Ronnie was bigger while being plenty ‘aesthetic’ enough to beat him.

BONEZ217 · October 30, 2011, 9:57pm

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

ProfX, people won’t come to Vegas to see an Olympia where such a physique wins??[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Back then, he was one of the biggest dudes on stage.

Today, he would not be.

He also competed recently enough for most people to still remember it.

Today, they would likely treat him like Ced Mcmillan is being treated…hyped but constantly pushed to get even bigger…which is exactly what Wheeler ended up doing.

That is why you guys didn’t pick a vid of his later career.

You picked this one.[/quote]

I’m not ‘they’ or ‘you guys’. I AM saying, if aesthetics were placed highest, there would be a stage full of flex-type competitors, and no one would be pushed to get bigger, just refine. Ronnie wasn’t all bad early on (well, there are those strange abdominals).
Dont know what would have become of Rhul, then. Probably the same - compete for the fans of Freak, place more or less the same.
I say, make 2 olympias - O Aesthetics, and O Size. Ruhl must be enjoying doing what he does, and has his fans, so why not.[/quote]

Also,

enjoy.

krebcycle · October 30, 2011, 10:33pm

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I just love me some aesthetics. Got to go with Flex.

0:39, just ridiculous…[/quote]

I remember reading the book ‘Muscle’ by John Hotten. In it this old English lady (forgot her name, but she’s been a BB judge for years) said that if we discovered an Alien race then we would send Flex Wheeler to them as an example of the most perfect human physique. I really have to agree with that.

xilinx · October 30, 2011, 10:37pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

ProfX, people won’t come to Vegas to see an Olympia where such a physique wins??[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Back then, he was one of the biggest dudes on stage.

Today, he would not be.

He also competed recently enough for most people to still remember it.

Today, they would likely treat him like Ced Mcmillan is being treated…hyped but constantly pushed to get even bigger…which is exactly what Wheeler ended up doing.

That is why you guys didn’t pick a vid of his later career.

You picked this one.[/quote]

I’m not ‘they’ or ‘you guys’. I AM saying, if aesthetics were placed highest, there would be a stage full of flex-type competitors, and no one would be pushed to get bigger, just refine. Ronnie wasn’t all bad early on (well, there are those strange abdominals).
Dont know what would have become of Rhul, then. Probably the same - compete for the fans of Freak, place more or less the same.
I say, make 2 olympias - O Aesthetics, and O Size. Ruhl must be enjoying doing what he does, and has his fans, so why not.[/quote]

The thing is, this comes down to MONEY. Yeah, in an ideal world, the most “aesthetic” person would always win a bodybuilding contest.

They already have a 202 class and it keeps getting dominated by one of the biggest short fuckers on the planet.

The judges decide that…and then the fans reinforce by buying the mags with them in the cover.

Trust me, if the look you mention sold to fans of bodybuilding, it would already be happening.

…so tell me…when was the last muscle mag you bought?[/quote]

I realize that I don’t represent the market, which is why I dont buy those advertizements aka magazines (also, they cost >10$ by the time they’re on sale here), and hardly follow the competitions.
But this thread was ‘what are your opinions’. This is my opinion.

waylanderxx · October 30, 2011, 11:33pm

1998 Ronnie was completely untouchable. Best Mr. O…period. From late 90’s to around 2003 he was the best physique to ever step foot on the BBing stage and it’s still never been replicated.

Professor_X · October 31, 2011, 12:48am

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

ProfX, people won’t come to Vegas to see an Olympia where such a physique wins??[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Back then, he was one of the biggest dudes on stage.

Today, he would not be.

He also competed recently enough for most people to still remember it.

Today, they would likely treat him like Ced Mcmillan is being treated…hyped but constantly pushed to get even bigger…which is exactly what Wheeler ended up doing.

That is why you guys didn’t pick a vid of his later career.

You picked this one.[/quote]

I’m not ‘they’ or ‘you guys’. I AM saying, if aesthetics were placed highest, there would be a stage full of flex-type competitors, and no one would be pushed to get bigger, just refine. Ronnie wasn’t all bad early on (well, there are those strange abdominals).
Dont know what would have become of Rhul, then. Probably the same - compete for the fans of Freak, place more or less the same.
I say, make 2 olympias - O Aesthetics, and O Size. Ruhl must be enjoying doing what he does, and has his fans, so why not.[/quote]

The thing is, this comes down to MONEY. Yeah, in an ideal world, the most “aesthetic” person would always win a bodybuilding contest.

They already have a 202 class and it keeps getting dominated by one of the biggest short fuckers on the planet.

The judges decide that…and then the fans reinforce by buying the mags with them in the cover.

Trust me, if the look you mention sold to fans of bodybuilding, it would already be happening.

…so tell me…when was the last muscle mag you bought?[/quote]

I realize that I don’t represent the market, which is why I dont buy those advertizements aka magazines (also, they cost >10$ by the time they’re on sale here), and hardly follow the competitions.
But this thread was ‘what are your opinions’. This is my opinion.
[/quote]

…and my point is, this opinion is usually screamed by people who don’t support the sport at all. I still buy those magazines. I don’t buy them as much as I used to, but I will still pick up MD at times.

People who follow bodybuilding tend to actually understand the changes that occur over time. They don’t ignore the HUGE changes in expectations since the 1960’s including hugely different standards for quad size and back.

So yea, it kind of does matter if you support it at all…because otherwise, expecting all progress to have ended 50 years ago is a little silly, to be honest.

cyruseven75 · October 31, 2011, 12:48am

one of my all time favorites to not win. he and flex should each have at least one.

Matsa · October 31, 2011, 2:44am

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

1998 Ronnie was completely untouchable. Best Mr. O…period. From late 90’s to around 2003 he was the best physique to ever step foot on the BBing stage and it’s still never been replicated.[/quote]

I’ll have to agree with this, allthough personally I prefer the 99 version over the 98 one.

VikingsAD28 · October 31, 2011, 3:49am

Ronnie Coleman is bodybuilding perfection in both the 98 and 99 vids. I was never a huge fan of his until I saw those, every part of him is just insane.

165StateChamp · October 31, 2011, 3:56am

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
Ronnie Coleman is bodybuilding perfection in both the 98 and 99 vids. I was never a huge fan of his until I saw those, every part of him is just insane.[/quote]

Yep, everything about him is absolutely perfect, except for the gyno in his 98 competitions. It’s ridiculous how far ahead of everyone else he was, especially when he competed in an era with competitors like Wheeler, Levrone, Cormier, Cutler and the like.

xilinx · October 31, 2011, 7:31am