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Great Socialists of Our Time

Out of 43 presidents, 13 have been Democrat. This would put Obama in some tall people. Although, until McCain I have never heard anyone refer to JFK or FDR as a socialist. Obama maintains the same party goals as them.

1 Andrew Jackson
2 Martin Van Buren
3 James Knox Polk
4 Franklin Pierce
5 James Buchanan
6 Grover Cleveland
7 Woodrow Wilson
8 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
9 Harry S. Truman
10 John Fitzgerald Kennedy
11 Lyndon Baines Johnson
12 James Earl ‘Jimmy’ Carter
13 William Jefferson ‘Bill’ Clinton

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:

2 Martin Van Buren

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Don’t fuck with the Van Buren Boys.

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Out of 43 presidents, 13 have been Democrat. This would put Obama in some tall people. Although, until McCain I have never heard anyone refer to JFK or FDR as a socialist. Obama maintains the same party goals as them.

1 Andrew Jackson
2 Martin Van Buren
3 James Knox Polk
4 Franklin Pierce
5 James Buchanan
6 Grover Cleveland
7 Woodrow Wilson
8 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
9 Harry S. Truman
10 John Fitzgerald Kennedy
11 Lyndon Baines Johnson
12 James Earl ‘Jimmy’ Carter
13 William Jefferson ‘Bill’ Clinton

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You intellegence never ceases to amaze me. The Democratic party is nothing like it was pre Jimmy Carter, with the exeption of the FDR years. Get a clue. Read fucking history book for christ’s sake.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
You intellegence never ceases to amaze me. The Democratic party is nothing like it was pre Jimmy Carter, with the exeption of the FDR years. Get a clue. Read fucking history book for christ’s sake.
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Yes, and McCains schitzophrenic actions (today I am a maverick, tomorrow I am a freeze, today, I am a 250 billion dollar giveaway, now I am champion of the working class)are totally reflective of the Reagan era (my personal favorite). This is about Republicans versus Demcrocrats. The biggst problem is that McCain can’t focus or stay on the issues. He flip-flops worse than John Kerry ever did. His whole campaign has been based on his entitlement to the White House. He was a POW, he is entitled to be president. I have voted Republican in every election but if McCain can’t tell the truth now, what makes you think he will tell the truth on November 5th? No, I am not voting for Obama either I don’t think he is the answer. I just like watching die-hard fools try and justify McCains next errattic action. If you can tear down a great Republican like Colin Powell to defend the foolish actions of a struggling old man (like it or not he IS an old man) then YOU need to read a history book.

What makes Colin Powell a ‘great Republican’.

To be clear, ‘a great Republican’ does not equal ‘a great conservative’.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
What makes Colin Powell a ‘great Republican’.

To be clear, ‘a great Republican’ does not equal ‘a great conservative’.[/quote]

Exactly. I laugh when people talk about “conservatives” ruining the economy. I guess the republicans are conservative when compared to someone like Marx, but not in the grand scheme of things.

The measuring scale is way different than it was in the early days of the Union.

Every president since FDR fits the standard of a socialist. None of them were great by any means.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
What makes Colin Powell a ‘great Republican’.

To be clear, ‘a great Republican’ does not equal ‘a great conservative’.

Exactly. I laugh when people talk about “conservatives” ruining the economy. I guess the republicans are conservative when compared to someone like Marx, but not in the grand scheme of things.

The measuring scale is way different than it was in the early days of the Union.[/quote]

Quite so.

It is liberal policies supported by Democrats and Republicans that are killing this country. The last 8 years were a perfect example of a Republican administration spending like a Democratic one and I do not mean the war.

If JFK could be brought back from the dead he would immediately pull Teddy into a private room, grab him by the shirt and demand to know what the hell happened to his party.

What used to be considered liberal in this country would today be decidedly right of center and many of the alleged conservatives are now decidedly left of what was considered liberal just 40 years ago. We are being slowly conditioned to view any thoroughly American position as being right wing extremist lunacy when in reality even in my lifetime they were once the mainstream middle.

We are being successfully eroded away from the inside out and our enemies are watching in derisive scorn as we do to ourselves what they haven’t thus far been able to. It’s heartbreaking watching the country I love commit national suicide.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
It’s heartbreaking watching the country I love commit national suicide.[/quote]

Ideas change. If you don’t like the current ideas then you have a moral obligation to change them.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
It’s heartbreaking watching the country I love commit national suicide.

Ideas change. If you don’t like the current ideas then you have a moral obligation to change them.[/quote]

How, pray tell, would you propose I go about doing that? Is there a button somewhere I missed that can be pushed? This country is losing it’s national identity. I don’t know if you’re keeping up with current events, but we are about to elect a man into our highest office who is the antithesis of everything that office was enacted to be.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

How, pray tell, would you propose I going about doing that?[/quote]

The same way everyone does it: dialog; writing; teaching; going door-to-door; protesting.

The president is only one man. He will change people’s ideas very little compared to those who are informed about other ideas. Neither McCain nor Obama have any real viable ideas.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Every president since FDR fits the standard of a socialist. None of them were great by any means.[/quote]

I knew it all along…that Eisenhower guy was a closet trotskyite!!! :wink:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

How, pray tell, would you propose I going about doing that?

The same way everyone does it: dialog; writing; teaching; going door-to-door; protesting.
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That is SOOOOOOOOO 1987. If I want to change ideas, I usually get my dawg, Bill Ayers, to do a photo-op with my opponent on the issue.

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Out of 43 presidents, 13 have been Democrat. This would put Obama in some tall people. Although, until McCain I have never heard anyone refer to JFK or FDR as a socialist. Obama maintains the same party goals as them.

1 Andrew Jackson
2 Martin Van Buren
3 James Knox Polk
4 Franklin Pierce
5 James Buchanan
6 Grover Cleveland
7 Woodrow Wilson
8 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
9 Harry S. Truman
10 John Fitzgerald Kennedy
11 Lyndon Baines Johnson
12 James Earl ‘Jimmy’ Carter
13 William Jefferson ‘Bill’ Clinton
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If this is the best socialism has to offer then it is in trouble!

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
Out of 43 presidents, 13 have been Democrat. This would put Obama in some tall people. Although, until McCain I have never heard anyone refer to JFK or FDR as a socialist. Obama maintains the same party goals as them.

1 Andrew Jackson
2 Martin Van Buren
3 James Knox Polk
4 Franklin Pierce
5 James Buchanan
6 Grover Cleveland
7 Woodrow Wilson
8 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
9 Harry S. Truman
10 John Fitzgerald Kennedy
11 Lyndon Baines Johnson
12 James Earl ‘Jimmy’ Carter
13 William Jefferson ‘Bill’ Clinton

If this is the best socialism has to offer then it is in trouble![/quote]

You think?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

How, pray tell, would you propose I going about doing that?

The same way everyone does it: dialog; writing; teaching; going door-to-door; protesting.

The president is only one man. He will change people’s ideas very little compared to those who are informed about other ideas. Neither McCain nor Obama have any real viable ideas.[/quote]

You gave me an idea that I haven’t decided is a good one or not yet. (non violent and legal I assure you)

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Every president since FDR fits the standard of a socialist. None of them were great by any means.[/quote]

Actually, I would put FDR more in the Fascist category, but they are pretty close ideologically.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Every president since FDR fits the standard of a socialist. None of them were great by any means.

Actually, I would put FDR more in the Fascist category, but they are pretty close ideologically.[/quote]

He did play fast and loose with the constitution, especially where the supreme court was concerned. He is the most overrated president in history. His new deal crap did nothing but prolong our economic woes. WWII is what pulled us out the great depression.

Socialist economics are the power source for fascist states. “Spreading the wealth around” by force of law is the very definition of socialism. How in the name of all that’s reasonable people cannot see that is absolutely mystifying. There is no amount of evidence that can be brought to bear on Barack Obama that will convince them of his anti American ideology. People are hypnotized by this guy. It’s pitiful.

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
dhickey wrote:
You intellegence never ceases to amaze me. The Democratic party is nothing like it was pre Jimmy Carter, with the exeption of the FDR years. Get a clue. Read fucking history book for christ’s sake.

Yes, and McCains schitzophrenic actions (today I am a maverick, tomorrow I am a freeze, today, I am a 250 billion dollar giveaway, now I am champion of the working class)are totally reflective of the Reagan era (my personal favorite). This is about Republicans versus Demcrocrats. The biggst problem is that McCain can’t focus or stay on the issues. He flip-flops worse than John Kerry ever did. His whole campaign has been based on his entitlement to the White House. He was a POW, he is entitled to be president. I have voted Republican in every election but if McCain can’t tell the truth now, what makes you think he will tell the truth on November 5th? No, I am not voting for Obama either I don’t think he is the answer. I just like watching die-hard fools try and justify McCains next errattic action. If you can tear down a great Republican like Colin Powell to defend the foolish actions of a struggling old man (like it or not he IS an old man) then YOU need to read a history book.
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I am not defending mccain nor voting for him. You are a complete fucking idiot. You have proven this over and over again. This post is complete drivel. It is complete drivel that has absolutly nothing to do with the complete drivel that you posted at the beginning of this thread.