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Graininess vs Seperation


#50

Like EatliftSleep said, it’s Aaron Clark.


#51

Aaron looks pretty grainy in some shots I’ve seen.

S


#52

yup, that’s the guy I meant. He’s grainy as fuck while still being young, so while age may well contribute, seems there’s somthing else going on


#53

yeah and i don’t think Aaron trained ‘heavy’ or whatever, pretty much BB’ing style 90% of his life. So I think the look is really mostly genetic, or maybe those with that ‘density’ are pre-disposed to being brutally strong, not the other way around.


#54

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
yeah and i don’t think Aaron trained ‘heavy’ or whatever, pretty much BB’ing style 90% of his life. So I think the look is really mostly genetic, or maybe those with that ‘density’ are pre-disposed to being brutally strong, not the other way around. [/quote]

Yeah if you follow Aaron on instagram he does not lift crazy weights. He’s strong by my standards but at his level repping 315 8 times on bench or squatting 4 plates is nothing outstanding. The guy’s just a genetic freak.


#55

He reached those strength levels (close enough) in his first couple years training at a bodyweight of around 176 pounds - AND he was very dense looking even at this point.

From his third or 4th post in the thread above

"And stat-wise:
Bench- 315x4
Deadlift- 405x6
Squat- 425x5

I don’t know what my one rep max is."

So he was repping with almost 2.5 times bodyweight on Squat and DL and he could have probably squeezed out a rep or two with twice bodyweight on the bench.

It doesn’t make sense for someone who’s got to that level of strength to focus on directly pushing his maxes farther so yeah he used more of BB-type training with the same weights (now moderately heavy for him?)

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
yeah and i don’t think Aaron trained ‘heavy’ or whatever, pretty much BB’ing style 90% of his life. So I think the look is really mostly genetic, or maybe those with that ‘density’ are pre-disposed to being brutally strong, not the other way around. [/quote]

Yeah if you follow Aaron on instagram he does not lift crazy weights. He’s strong by my standards but at his level repping 315 8 times on bench or squatting 4 plates is nothing outstanding. The guy’s just a genetic freak. [/quote]


#56

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He reached those strength levels (close enough) in his first couple years training at a bodyweight of around 176 pounds - AND he was very dense looking even at this point.

From his third or 4th post in the thread above

"And stat-wise:
Bench- 315x4
Deadlift- 405x6
Squat- 425x5

I don’t know what my one rep max is."

So he was repping with almost 2.5 times bodyweight on Squat and DL and he could have probably squeezed out a rep or two with twice bodyweight on the bench.

It doesn’t make sense for someone who’s got to that level of strength to focus on directly pushing his maxes farther so yeah he used more of BB-type training with the same weights (now moderately heavy for him?)

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
yeah and i don’t think Aaron trained ‘heavy’ or whatever, pretty much BB’ing style 90% of his life. So I think the look is really mostly genetic, or maybe those with that ‘density’ are pre-disposed to being brutally strong, not the other way around. [/quote]

Yeah if you follow Aaron on instagram he does not lift crazy weights. He’s strong by my standards but at his level repping 315 8 times on bench or squatting 4 plates is nothing outstanding. The guy’s just a genetic freak. [/quote]
[/quote]

yeah I wasn’t saying he’s NOT strong. I’m just saying I don’t think he ever did the, idk, style of power training that most associate with the graininess look, a la Branch Warren, Dorian Blood and Guts style, Ronnie with his PL background.

All pro BB’ers are strong AF. Maybe I’m missing what ya’ll mean (not necessarily you DepBoy, idr if you said it) when someone gets the grainy look from brutally heavy lifting? Just lots of low reps? or years of training focusing on ‘strength’ over pump stuff?


#57

I dont think we can pinpoint one reason that causes a certain look. I think it mainly comes down to genetics, then proper manipulation of drugs at the right time is also very important, how important will depend on your genetics
Im not sure lifting super heavy has much to do with it but of course its possible.


#58

Are any of the guys lifting or have lifted heavy weights relative to their bodyweights IN THIS THREAD grainy?


#59

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are any of the guys lifting or have lifted heavy weights relative to their bodyweights IN THIS THREAD grainy?[/quote]

Cant tell yet but will update in 6 weeks lol


#60

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are any of the guys lifting or have lifted heavy weights relative to their bodyweights IN THIS THREAD grainy?[/quote]

Cant tell yet but will update in 6 weeks lol
[/quote]

Haha. Just saying there’s no need to bring up pro bodybuilders from the past and present to prove this point when all we have to do is look in the mirror.


#61

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are any of the guys lifting or have lifted heavy weights relative to their bodyweights IN THIS THREAD grainy?[/quote]

Cant tell yet but will update in 6 weeks lol
[/quote]

Haha. Just saying there’s no need to bring up pro bodybuilders from the past and present to prove this point when all we have to do is look in the mirror.[/quote]

good point. Is there anyone on this site grainy? I’m sure as hell not.


#62

Have any of the lighter weight class powerlifters on here dieted down to contest condition or close?

Matt Kroc got somewhat grainy in his

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are any of the guys lifting or have lifted heavy weights relative to their bodyweights IN THIS THREAD grainy?[/quote]

Cant tell yet but will update in 6 weeks lol
[/quote]

Haha. Just saying there’s no need to bring up pro bodybuilders from the past and present to prove this point when all we have to do is look in the mirror.[/quote]

good point. Is there anyone on this site grainy? I’m sure as hell not.
[/quote]


#63

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He reached those strength levels (close enough) in his first couple years training at a bodyweight of around 176 pounds - AND he was very dense looking even at this point.

From his third or 4th post in the thread above

"And stat-wise:
Bench- 315x4
Deadlift- 405x6
Squat- 425x5

I don’t know what my one rep max is."

So he was repping with almost 2.5 times bodyweight on Squat and DL and he could have probably squeezed out a rep or two with twice bodyweight on the bench.

It doesn’t make sense for someone who’s got to that level of strength to focus on directly pushing his maxes farther so yeah he used more of BB-type training with the same weights (now moderately heavy for him?)

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
yeah and i don’t think Aaron trained ‘heavy’ or whatever, pretty much BB’ing style 90% of his life. So I think the look is really mostly genetic, or maybe those with that ‘density’ are pre-disposed to being brutally strong, not the other way around. [/quote]

Yeah if you follow Aaron on instagram he does not lift crazy weights. He’s strong by my standards but at his level repping 315 8 times on bench or squatting 4 plates is nothing outstanding. The guy’s just a genetic freak. [/quote]
[/quote]

yeah I wasn’t saying he’s NOT strong. I’m just saying I don’t think he ever did the, idk, style of power training that most associate with the graininess look, a la Branch Warren, Dorian Blood and Guts style, Ronnie with his PL background.

All pro BB’ers are strong AF. Maybe I’m missing what ya’ll mean (not necessarily you DepBoy, idr if you said it) when someone gets the grainy look from brutally heavy lifting? Just lots of low reps? or years of training focusing on ‘strength’ over pump stuff?[/quote]

Inclining 405 for 4 is pretty damn strong.


#64

Nah its an illusion…he’s in reality really focusing on “quality muscle stimulation” instead of that stupid power training that out of shape permabulkers and “gym rats” keep advocating. Clearly training for strength is pointless for BB purposes. Even when he got to reaping twice bodyweight and squatting and deading 2.5 times bodyweight he was using quality muscle stimulation instead of focusing on numbers.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He reached those strength levels (close enough) in his first couple years training at a bodyweight of around 176 pounds - AND he was very dense looking even at this point.

From his third or 4th post in the thread above

"And stat-wise:
Bench- 315x4
Deadlift- 405x6
Squat- 425x5

I don’t know what my one rep max is."

So he was repping with almost 2.5 times bodyweight on Squat and DL and he could have probably squeezed out a rep or two with twice bodyweight on the bench.

It doesn’t make sense for someone who’s got to that level of strength to focus on directly pushing his maxes farther so yeah he used more of BB-type training with the same weights (now moderately heavy for him?)

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
yeah and i don’t think Aaron trained ‘heavy’ or whatever, pretty much BB’ing style 90% of his life. So I think the look is really mostly genetic, or maybe those with that ‘density’ are pre-disposed to being brutally strong, not the other way around. [/quote]

Yeah if you follow Aaron on instagram he does not lift crazy weights. He’s strong by my standards but at his level repping 315 8 times on bench or squatting 4 plates is nothing outstanding. The guy’s just a genetic freak. [/quote]
[/quote]

yeah I wasn’t saying he’s NOT strong. I’m just saying I don’t think he ever did the, idk, style of power training that most associate with the graininess look, a la Branch Warren, Dorian Blood and Guts style, Ronnie with his PL background.

All pro BB’ers are strong AF. Maybe I’m missing what ya’ll mean (not necessarily you DepBoy, idr if you said it) when someone gets the grainy look from brutally heavy lifting? Just lots of low reps? or years of training focusing on ‘strength’ over pump stuff?[/quote]

Inclining 405 for 4 is pretty damn strong. [/quote]


#65

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Even when he got to reaping twice bodyweight and squatting and deading 2.5 times bodyweight he was using quality muscle stimulation instead of focusing on numbers.
[/quote]

They’re not always mutually exclusive approaches.

S


#66

No doubt. However, a LOT of BBers (including yourself Stu IIRC a close to 4 plate bench Stu in your first couple years training) spent their early years and paid their dues getting strong. While you dont chase weight on the bar now (for good reason) you’re still using 100 pound DBs for reps on the seated shoulder press, or you were using before your injury. Heck even EyeDentist who trains light now has pressed 385 for a single when he was younger (from his thread) and he’s bird boned! Even Tim McBride who’s faaaar from a big guy posted a video pushing a double with three plates on the bar before he began dieting for his last contest.

That itself added a lot of size for many (albeit not a proportionate physique by any stretch) and for some others while it didn’t give them as much size gain per se… gave them the strength to make the most of their BB focused training later on.

The BB forum has gotten to the point where the forum experts are now scrawny kids with less than 3-4 years of training grinding 2 plates for a max (on a good day) while pushing the whole “stimulation not annihilation” argument and IIFYM/carb backloading/intermittent fasting whatever have you! A couple of the same kids from here (with TWO whole years of cycling under their belt) and are trying to gain “bodybuilding and PED guru” status on PM much to the chagrin of Phil lol.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Even when he got to reaping twice bodyweight and squatting and deading 2.5 times bodyweight he was using quality muscle stimulation instead of focusing on numbers.
[/quote]

They’re not always mutually exclusive approaches.

S[/quote]


#67

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Even when he got to reaping twice bodyweight and squatting and deading 2.5 times bodyweight he was using quality muscle stimulation instead of focusing on numbers.
[/quote]

They’re not always mutually exclusive approaches.

S[/quote]

why does nobody get that?

In the “I’ll never be a weightlifter” video Kai talks all about the importance of muscle stimulation, but the dude’s still strong as an ox.

Quality muscle stimulation with heavy weights. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN


#68

You are right. In theory.

People who actually DO move massive weights with bodybuilding emphasis spent years getting strong - Im not referring to powerlifting - Im referring to the so called '
powerbuilding" mentality of getting brutally strong in a moderate rep range, with maxing every now and then on some key compounds!

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Even when he got to reaping twice bodyweight and squatting and deading 2.5 times bodyweight he was using quality muscle stimulation instead of focusing on numbers.
[/quote]

They’re not always mutually exclusive approaches.

S[/quote]

why does nobody get that?

In the “I’ll never be a weightlifter” video Kai talks all about the importance of muscle stimulation, but the dude’s still strong as an ox.

Quality muscle stimulation with heavy weights. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN[/quote]


#69

I completely agree with Depression Boy here, I think a lot of people get really strong, kind of reap the size gains from that, THEN go to ‘pump’ training and end up getting some growth there too, but don’t realize that ‘base’ of strength is what allows them to benefit from the pump training. I had that idea early on, fell away from it, and am now not as far along as I would have been had I chased numbers a bit more

And I know Aaron is brutally strong, I guess that’s my point in all this lol. I’m saying I don’t think training has to do with the training style. All elite BB’ers are strong, everyone on the Olympia stage or with a shot at being there can rep 405 of Incline and has squatted 500 for a ton of reps. I’m saying that, too me, means it’s doubtful that any kind of training style dictates the ‘look’ of someone in terms of graininess.