Government Slimdown, Not a Shutdown

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Yep. Nothing screams “we are the party/ideological movement of fiscal responsibility” like refusing to pay down debt obligations that you’ve already incurred, huh?
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Actually, another Congress, a Democrat one, incurred these debts and the Democrat Senate has failed to pass a budget.
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Actually another bunch of Congresses, from both parties, incurred these debts and actually–and much more importantly–it doesn’t matter one way or another because the current Congress was sworn in to govern the United States that exists, debt and all, and not some debtless, hypothetical, alternate-history United States of their utopian fantasies. If anybody votes against paying down obligations already incurred, thus driving us toward a credit downgrade and default and financial crisis, they will deserve the thumping they get. No, this has nothing to do with a law that was passed three years ago. No, it isn’t “the right thing” to put a gun to the head of the full faith and credit of the United States of America. No, it isn’t fiscal responsibility.

And if it goes through, you’re going to be looking at a long line of liberal hegemony.

Or if not, let me get something straight: you contend that implementation of the ACA–which, by the way, is simply going to happen–will be worse than defaulting on our credit? No, I don’t think you do. And if you do, then you need to pull your head out whatever cavity it’s in.

Lol at partisans bickering back and forth over who’s fault it is and trying desperately to figure out who exactly is to blame like we always do.

Shame on every elected official and the American public for doing this over and over again.

It’s time for a third (or fourth) party. More voices, more discussion, less posturing, less political chess matches.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled blame fest. I’ll play along:

OBAMA, LIBERALS, TEA PARTY, CRUZ, SOCIALISM, FASCISM, CONSERVATIVES!

[quote]H factor wrote:

OBAMA, LIBERALS, TEA PARTY, CRUZ, SOCIALISM, FASCISM, CONSERVATIVES! [/quote]

Wow Cruz made the list and he has been in Federal politics for only 10 months. Cruz is looking good for a 2016 run now.

Back to the blaming.

If Democrats had actually included Republicans in the passing of Obamacare this law would be plugging ahead, but they didn’t so where I come from means it is fighting time.

Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?

Listening to the Divider and Chief speak today was tough. I just do not understand how the masses can continually fall for his rederick and demagoguing. He purposely misuses terms like ‘defecit’ in order to confuse and mislead the masses and framing the shutdown as a “republican shutdown” is just downright shameful.

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Listening to the Divider and Chief speak today was tough. I just do not understand how the masses can continually fall for his rederick and demagoguing. He purposely misuses terms like ‘defecit’ in order to confuse and mislead the masses and framing the shutdown as a “republican shutdown” is just downright shameful. [/quote]

I cant watch him any more.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

Do you have to apply for benefits every month? All checks and benefits that have already been processed or approved for automatic payment are still going out on time. Same thing with Social Security. Now Employee Paychecks might be delayed, but those will be paid once this is ended.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

Do you have to apply for benefits every month? All checks and benefits that have already been processed or approved for automatic payment are still going out on time. Same thing with Social Security. Now Employee Paychecks might be delayed, but those will be paid once this is ended.
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From what I understand, the November payment will be delayed depending on how long the shutdown lasts. Yes, they will get paid eventually, but do you think the landlord cares? These are benefits earned and paid into and relied upon to pay the bills. A delayed payment is a big deal to a lot of people.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

My VA benefits are always delayed because the VA sucks. I just randomly get checks in the mail, typically 6-12 months past due. Glad I don’t care and don’t depend on them. In short, business as usual.

That said, if Obama wants to get things to run on time, let go of ObamaCare. It’s his choice.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

Do you have to apply for benefits every month? All checks and benefits that have already been processed or approved for automatic payment are still going out on time. Same thing with Social Security. Now Employee Paychecks might be delayed, but those will be paid once this is ended.
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From what I understand, the November payment will be delayed depending on how long the shutdown lasts. Yes, they will get paid eventually, but do you think the landlord cares? These are benefits earned and paid into and relied upon to pay the bills. A delayed payment is a big deal to a lot of people. [/quote]

I am a LandLord, and I would give them some leeway. I really do not see this lasting longer than two weeks. We will know this weekend if someone is going to balk because it is all about the polls.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

Do you have to apply for benefits every month? All checks and benefits that have already been processed or approved for automatic payment are still going out on time. Same thing with Social Security. Now Employee Paychecks might be delayed, but those will be paid once this is ended.
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From what I understand, the November payment will be delayed depending on how long the shutdown lasts. Yes, they will get paid eventually, but do you think the landlord cares? These are benefits earned and paid into and relied upon to pay the bills. A delayed payment is a big deal to a lot of people. [/quote]

The money still going to politicians should be paying this. That is utter horseshit

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

Do you have to apply for benefits every month? All checks and benefits that have already been processed or approved for automatic payment are still going out on time. Same thing with Social Security. Now Employee Paychecks might be delayed, but those will be paid once this is ended.
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From what I understand, the November payment will be delayed depending on how long the shutdown lasts. Yes, they will get paid eventually, but do you think the landlord cares? These are benefits earned and paid into and relied upon to pay the bills. A delayed payment is a big deal to a lot of people. [/quote]

I am a LandLord, and I would give them some leeway. I really do not see this lasting longer than two weeks. We will know this weekend if someone is going to balk because it is all about the polls.
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I don’t see it lasting that long either, just making a point that an extended shutdown will affect many average income people, and not paying veterans on benefits they have earned and paid for would be a shame.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Anyone seeing any negative affects from the slimdown?[/quote]

It’s only day one, and no new claims for GI bill benefits will be processed. If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks then all GI bill payments and VA benefit payments will be delayed. I think it is a travesty that those that have served their country and are trying to use the GI bill that they paid into or VA benefits due to injuries during their service are going to be left with a delayed payment. May not seem like a big deal to some, but to a veteran living paycheck to paycheck trying to get through school will possibly miss rent payments etc. because of this. [/quote]

My VA benefits are always delayed because the VA sucks. I just randomly get checks in the mail, typically 6-12 months past due. Glad I don’t care and don’t depend on them. In short, business as usual.

That said, if Obama wants to get things to run on time, let go of ObamaCare. It’s his choice.

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Some people do depend on them though.

I would love to see Obama let go of Obamacare. Just not going to happen though. My guess would be the Republicans balking by the time this is over.

How the public is not in the streets of DC with pitchforks and torches is beyond me. We have wealthy, not rich, WEALTHY politicians crying poor while they refuse to take a pay cut. Are you fucking kidding me? Doesnt matter what side of the isle you sit on, the people in DC are not working for the public. These scumbags make over six figures, fly around on private planes and generally act as if theyre all sitting on the iron throne in an episode of game thrones. the whole gov’t is completely fucked and needs a Stalin-style purge.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

That said, if Obama wants to get things to run on time, let go of ObamaCare. It’s his choice.

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No. Utter bullshit.

I don’t love the ACA–not that I’ve read it. (Not that you have either.)

But no to this nonsense. The bill became law years ago. It came through the Supreme Court a little over a year ago, relatively unscathed. The system did its thing–you know, the system that’s set up by that thing we all love so much, the Constitution.

You don’t like it? Repeal it. Don’t tether it to two unrelated issues and then threaten to throw them all off the fucking cliff. Shutdown the government–fine. I don’t like Yosemite that much anyway. But if this spills over to the debt ceiling, these idiots are going to deserve the unemployment they earn themselves.

Calling Obamaocare the “affordable” care act is hilarious irony.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

That said, if Obama wants to get things to run on time, let go of ObamaCare. It’s his choice.

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No. Utter bullshit.

I don’t love the ACA–not that I’ve read it. (Not that you have either.)

But no to this nonsense. The bill became law years ago. It came through the Supreme Court a little over a year ago, relatively unscathed. The system did its thing–you know, the system that’s set up by that thing we all love so much, the Constitution.

You don’t like it? Repeal it. Don’t tether it to two unrelated issues and then threaten to throw them all off the fucking cliff. Shutdown the government–fine. I don’t like Yosemite that much anyway. (Although there are a lot of families that are going to be looking to make rent this month and voila, no paycheck. Sucks for them huh?) But if this spills over to the debt ceiling, these idiots are going to deserve the unemployment they earn themselves.[/quote]

Well the People of Massachusetts voted in Scott Brown that would have made the Senate Filibuster the bill, but the Democrats made sure to pass the bill before he was put in place. Then went in and changed the bill when all they needed was 50 votes. Yeah this bill is the best thing for everyone. This was done in a back room when the President Obama said he would be the most transparent administration ever. What a lie, and he still will not be transparent about Benghazi, IRS, NSA, and all the other scandals going on. You want to know why people do not like Obamacare, and Obama himself is because of these reasons.

This is the last time we have to get the bill changed, and I am glad these patriots are doing what the people want and I back them 100%.

The Dems are going to be the ones to balk first. The polls this week will show them that they can not stand because the people are against it. The Dems will bull forward on their ideology and they will get killed next year.

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Calling Obamaocare the “affordable” care act is hilarious irony. [/quote]

lol