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Gourmet Nutrition by John Berardi

Does anyone else have this book? I have what should be some simple questions.

Should post work out meals only be eaten on work out days? I assume these follow the P+C and P+F guidelines.

Well that is the first big question.

Thanks

I’m pretty sure JB only wants you to eat the PW meals for the solid meal after working out (1hr - 1 1/2hr after your Surge). You might be able to get away with eating it in the morning before noon as well.

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
Does anyone else have this book? I have what should be some simple questions.

Should post work out meals only be eaten on work out days? I assume these follow the P+C and P+F guidelines.

Well that is the first big question.

Thanks[/quote]

I have this book and think it’s great. I think your assumptions are correct. The post work out meals are typically P+C. While the others aren’t necessarily P+F but definitely less carbs then the post workout meals. In general, I don’t eat any of the specified post workout items unless I did just workout.

Sterno

Ok. That means on non work out days I will get virtually no carbs, is that right?

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
Ok. That means on non work out days I will get virtually no carbs, is that right?

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Not completely understanding your question, but depends on your goals. You could get away with virtually no carbs on non-workout days, but I would say at least eat some oatmeal in the morning. If not, make sure you eat plenty of veggies and you will get some carbs through those.

On his DVD he has you eating virtually no carbs except for post workout drink and fruits and veggies. Almost all of the meals on the DVD consist of P+F. And you suffer no strength or perfomance loss.

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
Ok. That means on non work out days I will get virtually no carbs, is that right?

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From going over the recipes is that truly outstanding book, I think you’ll get carbs from some fruits and veggies, but not from grain sources (and obviously not from added sugars and whatnot).

Well the Book is great but I have a few issues. For one some of his protein counts seem way inflated per serving (for example of the seared ground beef w/ zucchini and tomatoes). I mean is has some veggies and whatnot in it but the only real protein source is 1 pound of 96 % lean ground beef. 1 serving (which is 1/2 lb) says it has 70 some odd grams of protein and there is no way 1/2 pound of ground beef with some veggies has that much.

Also some of the “anytime” versus “pw” don’t make any sense. For example the Meatloaf is listed as PW despite a reasonable carb and fat profile, while the Kung Pow chicken (with more carbs and fat together in one serving) is listed as “Anytime”.

As said above use your judgement, and your goals when planning these meals and then make sure you note any corrections so you are not filling your food log with incorrect data. For someone dieting, I would say the Kung Pow Chicken should only be used post workout but would be fine anytime while doing a normal maint/bulk diet. And I often have the meatloaf for lunch not postworkout (i usually just don’t add but 1 tbsp of flaxseeds).

I think the key here is to plan for your particular goals and just don’t take what is in the book as gospel make sure to doublecheck it against the labels.

Also as an aside don’t get me wrong -the book overall is great and has helped me ALOT with some meal choices and ideas about cooking. I highly recommend it.

I was able to read through the entire book last night and check out the recipes, I’m a little confused by alot of it. I read all the massive eating articles and just about every other article John as on here. What I consistantly hear is that you want either carbs or fat but never both. Well many of the meals have a considerable amount of both carbs and fat. My goal is to build muscle while losing fat. Is following this book with the anytime and Post workout meals going to get me that? Should I just stick with the Massive eating?

Also I can’t get to the gym till about 7 at night and I get one meal after that before bed. So if I only eat carbs after work out that leaves my Surge and one meal. Is that enough carbs? Is eating carbs right before bed ok?

I read all the Low-Carb Grow! stuff and it says to not have carbs before bed. It is all very confusing.

In John’s energy model he shows very good results, that is what I want. Does anyone know what I need to achieve that?

John if your out there please chime in.

Todd

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
I was able to read through the entire book last night and check out the recipes, I’m a little confused by alot of it. I read all the massive eating articles and just about every other article John as on here. What I consistantly hear is that you want either carbs or fat but never both. Well many of the meals have a considerable amount of both carbs and fat. My goal is to build muscle while losing fat. Is following this book with the anytime and Post workout meals going to get me that? Should I just stick with the Massive eating?

Also I can’t get to the gym till about 7 at night and I get one meal after that before bed. So if I only eat carbs after work out that leaves my Surge and one meal. Is that enough carbs? Is eating carbs right before bed ok?

I read all the Low-Carb Grow! stuff and it says to not have carbs before bed. It is all very confusing.

In John’s energy model he shows very good results, that is what I want. Does anyone know what I need to achieve that?

John if your out there please chime in.

Todd[/quote]

I would stick with the Massive Eating plan. I don’t think JB means for us to use this book exclusively. I think he created this book to show that eating healthy can also taste great. Use this book as an addition to your current nutrition routine, adding in meals here and there.

It’s perfectly fine to have your postworkout shake and a P+C meal before you goto bed. JB mentioned this in the carb rountable article. He says that your body will most likely use those carbs in the right places. Just don’t overdo it. If you want to lose weight you will have to add some HIIT running or uphill walking.

Yes, try to seperate your meals by P+F and P+C. And from what LL and JB combined say. You can have your P+C meals in the morning hours upto lunch (lunch = P+C if you’re trying to gain weight and P+F if you’re trying to lose fat) then have P+F meals in the afternoon and evening hours and JB says the meal after workout can be P+C and LL says nighttime meals need to be P+F, but LL works out in the mornings and JB sometimes works out in evenings. Thus, it’s not a precise science, but if you consume P+C within 3 hours after workout, you will be fine.

To really help (hopefully not further confuse) go and read all 30 of these diets. There really is a common theme.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=629609

[quote]outlawkayak wrote:

I would stick with the Massive Eating plan. I don’t think JB means for us to use this book exclusively. I think he created this book to show that eating healthy can also taste great. Use this book as an addition to your current nutrition routine, adding in meals here and there.

It’s perfectly fine to have your postworkout shake and a P+C meal before you goto bed. JB mentioned this in the carb rountable article. He says that your body will most likely use those carbs in the right places. Just don’t overdo it. If you want to lose weight you will have to add some HIIT running or uphill walking.

Yes, try to seperate your meals by P+F and P+C. And from what LL and JB combined say. You can have your P+C meals in the morning hours upto lunch (lunch = P+C if you’re trying to gain weight and P+F if you’re trying to lose fat) then have P+F meals in the afternoon and evening hours and JB says the meal after workout can be P+C and LL says nighttime meals need to be P+F, but LL works out in the mornings and JB sometimes works out in evenings. Thus, it’s not a precise science, but if you consume P+C within 3 hours after workout, you will be fine.

To really help (hopefully not further confuse) go and read all 30 of these diets. There really is a common theme.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=629609
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Thanks, You pretty much confirmed what I have been thinking. I’ll try to stick with the Massive eating and just throw some of the recipes in to my diet. Over all there is alot of nice info in the book. It is just alot to take in.

Thanks for the input, I will probably stick to P+F up untill work out, Omelets are great for breakfast and I like oatmeal after workouts…

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
outlawkayak wrote:

I would stick with the Massive Eating plan. I don’t think JB means for us to use this book exclusively. I think he created this book to show that eating healthy can also taste great. Use this book as an addition to your current nutrition routine, adding in meals here and there.

It’s perfectly fine to have your postworkout shake and a P+C meal before you goto bed. JB mentioned this in the carb rountable article. He says that your body will most likely use those carbs in the right places. Just don’t overdo it. If you want to lose weight you will have to add some HIIT running or uphill walking.

Yes, try to seperate your meals by P+F and P+C. And from what LL and JB combined say. You can have your P+C meals in the morning hours upto lunch (lunch = P+C if you’re trying to gain weight and P+F if you’re trying to lose fat) then have P+F meals in the afternoon and evening hours and JB says the meal after workout can be P+C and LL says nighttime meals need to be P+F, but LL works out in the mornings and JB sometimes works out in evenings. Thus, it’s not a precise science, but if you consume P+C within 3 hours after workout, you will be fine.

To really help (hopefully not further confuse) go and read all 30 of these diets. There really is a common theme.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=629609

Thanks, You pretty much confirmed what I have been thinking. I’ll try to stick with the Massive eating and just throw some of the recipes in to my diet. Over all there is alot of nice info in the book. It is just alot to take in.

Thanks for the input, I will probably stick to P+F up untill work out, Omelets are great for breakfast and I like oatmeal after workouts…

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I’m glad you guys are enjoying the book!

But for heaven’s sake - don’t read it all at once!

No wonder it’s confusing!

Take your time, internalize the principles, apply, re-read, apply, learn.

John M Berardi wrote:

I’m glad you guys are enjoying the book!

But for heaven’s sake - don’t read it all at once!

No wonder it’s confusing!

Take your time, internalize the principles, apply, re-read, apply, learn.

John,

I do have a couple things I could use your input on.

I’ll have my body fat reading soon but I have a little extra… I’m trying to gain lean mass and Ideally lose some of the chub. Would you say to try and stay more strictly to the P+F and P+C meals, keeping the P+C for post workout, or will following your anytime meals get the same results?

Also I am trying to get up to ten fish oil caps a day, to hit your recommended amounts. How and when should I work the flax oil in?

The book is full of information, I am not sure it is designed to get the results I am after. It appears that Massive eating is perfect.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks,
Todd