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GOP Would Rather Lose With Romney?

"As Walter Mondale was the last gasp of the fading New Deal coalition, Romney has turned himself into the last gasp of the Reagan coalition.

That coalition had its day, but it is shrinking now. The Republican Party is more unpopular than at any point in the past 40 years. Democrats have a 50 to 36 party identification advantage, the widest in a generation. The general public prefers Democratic approaches on health care, corruption, the economy and Iraq by double-digit margins. Republicans�?? losses have come across the board, but the G.O.P. has been hemorrhaging support among independent voters. Surveys from the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post, Kaiser Foundation and Harvard University show that independents are moving away from the G.O.P. on social issues, globalization and the roles of religion and government.

If any Republican candidate is going to win this year, he will have to offer a new brand of Republicanism. But Romney has tied himself to the old brand."

“The leaders of the Republican coalition know Romney will lose. But some would rather remain in control of a party that loses than lose control of a party that wins. Others haven�??t yet suffered the agony of defeat, and so are not yet emotionally ready for the trauma of transformation. Others still simply don�??t know which way to turn.”

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
"As Walter Mondale was the last gasp of the fading New Deal coalition, Romney has turned himself into the last gasp of the Reagan coalition. [/quote]

That’s one of the stupidest things I have heard during the entire primary buildup. To consider a socialist like Romney to be anything like Reagan is absolutely asinine. [quote]

That coalition had its day, but it is shrinking now. The Republican Party is more unpopular than at any point in the past 40 years. Democrats have a 50 to 36 party identification advantage, the widest in a generation. The general public prefers Democratic approaches on health care, corruption, the economy and Iraq by double-digit margins.

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All this means to me is that we’re continuing a downward slide toward the end of America as we know it. It’s a natural and repeated historical cycle. It’s also one I would really like to buck. I will never consent to the idea that all great nations must go the way of Rome. I’d like to think that we can learn from history’s errors and correct them when we see them in ourselves. But if the people want their gov’t health care, then they will only be strangling themselves.

I’m merely a Republican sympathizing independant. But I’d much rather see Republicans lose the White House than see Romney lead this country. Will someone please explain to me why Romney is better than Hillary? Romney has already demonstrated that he is capable of bringing about universal health care where Clinton failed.

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

That’s one of the stupidest things I have heard during the entire primary buildup. To consider a socialist like Romney to be anything like Reagan is absolutely asinine.

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Ding-Ding-Ding!

We have a winner!

Reagan does not equal Neocon.

I think he’s been listening too much to his paper’s editorial board.

George Bush represented big-government conservatism, not the Reagan coalition. There hasn’t been a good candidate representing the Reagan coalition since Reagan.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I think he’s been listening too much to his paper’s editorial board.

George Bush represented big-government conservatism, not the Reagan coalition. There hasn’t been a good candidate representing the Reagan coalition since Reagan.[/quote]

What then are you feelings about Newt?

mike

[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
I think he’s been listening too much to his paper’s editorial board.

George Bush represented big-government conservatism, not the Reagan coalition. There hasn’t been a good candidate representing the Reagan coalition since Reagan.

Mikeyali wrote:
What then are you feelings about Newt?

mike[/quote]

He’s the best idea guy on the GOP side. I can’t recall off of the top of my head, but I am recalling he did run in 2000, but he wasn’t a candidate anymore by the time of my state’s primary in 2000…

Patrick J. Buchanan!

Seems David Brooks likes to make these sorts of predictions about where the GOP is heading:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124244.html

I’d hate it say this, but I don’t think ANYONE can beat Obama.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Patrick J. Buchanan![/quote]

Off topic but, I know Pat Buchanan proudly proclaims that he doesn’t believe in evolution. Is it also true that he thinks the theory of gravity is a plot by Jews to get people to drop spare change?

[quote]johnnybravo30 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Patrick J. Buchanan!

Off topic but, I know Pat Buchanan proudly proclaims that he doesn’t believe in evolution. Is it also true that he thinks the theory of gravity is a plot by Jews to get people to drop spare change?[/quote]

Rofl. I have no idea. His crankiness just amuses me. I’d have a beer with him just to hear him bitch about everyone.

Anyawys, I was prompted to toss his name in there, and assume his avatar, because of a funny Ali G interview with him. The political arena would be a far more boring place with out 'ole Buchanan.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’d hate it say this, but I don’t think ANYONE can beat Obama.[/quote]

I have been saying the same thing, he really scares me.

I do think one person can beat him though. Himself. The guy will tell you (well, a liberal anyways) whatever it is you want to hear, and he is starting to get in trouble a bit because of it. He won’t actually go into detail on many of his stances either. Is this because he doesn’t have details, because he doesn’t want to put off anybody, or because he is just not very smart? I don’t know, but Hillary has definitely picked up on all of this.

The only problem with that is that when she tries to point it out she just comes across as an old hag. Hopefully the MSM will pick up on it more and he will really talk himself into a hole, preferably in time for Hillary to win the Democratic nomination. She really would not stand a chance in the general election.

[quote]tedro wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’d hate it say this, but I don’t think ANYONE can beat Obama.

I have been saying the same thing, he really scares me.

I do think one person can beat him though. Himself. The guy will tell you (well, a liberal anyways) whatever it is you want to hear, and he is starting to get in trouble a bit because of it. He won’t actually go into detail on many of his stances either. Is this because he doesn’t have details, because he doesn’t want to put off anybody, or because he is just not very smart? I don’t know, but Hillary has definitely picked up on all of this.

The only problem with that is that when she tries to point it out she just comes across as an old hag. Hopefully the MSM will pick up on it more and he will really talk himself into a hole, preferably in time for Hillary to win the Democratic nomination. She really would not stand a chance in the general election.[/quote]

I think Hillary is done. Did you hear her crying?! Not whining, I mean actually crying! Now that was defintely a Dean Scream. http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmyrGBw5jFg

Maybe Edwards still has a shot, I don’t know. But, I think Hillary has imploded. I’m just suprised at how fast it’s happened.

[quote]johnnybravo30 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Patrick J. Buchanan!

Off topic but, I know Pat Buchanan proudly proclaims that he doesn’t believe in evolution. Is it also true that he thinks the theory of gravity is a plot by Jews to get people to drop spare change?[/quote]

Nice Maher reference.

[quote]Magnate wrote:
johnnybravo30 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Patrick J. Buchanan!

Off topic but, I know Pat Buchanan proudly proclaims that he doesn’t believe in evolution. Is it also true that he thinks the theory of gravity is a plot by Jews to get people to drop spare change?

Nice Maher reference.[/quote]

Well spotted.

[quote]johnnybravo30 wrote:
Is it also true that he thinks the theory of gravity is a plot by Jews to get people to drop spare change? [/quote]

Earth sucks!