Good Espresso Maker?

[quote]nephorm wrote:
The only caveat is that if you have any channeling on the side of your puck, the naked portafilter has a tendency to spray a thin stream.[/quote]

[More naked pf porn] A squirter like this.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Neph, any experience with a naked portafilter? With all this discussion about machines, I took mine apart to clean and descale it. While reassembling the portafilter I broke a little piton that that’s part of the pressure valve. While searching for parts I determined (a) the pressure valve assembly is unnecessary, and (b) a naked portafilter may be useful to bring my skills up a notch.

Sorry, this slipped off the front page before I noticed there were new posts. I use a naked portafilter exclusively. The only reason I would ever NOT use one if I were very crunched for time and wanted to serve two singles. The only caveat is that if you have any channeling on the side of your puck, the naked portafilter has a tendency to spray a thin stream.

As swivel pointed out, dosing and distribution is key… I always make sure to stir my grinds before dosing into the portafilter to break up static clumps, distribute it as best I can from the cup, and then use my finger to make the grind concave, evenly distributed, and with no visible gaps on the side of the portafilter.[/quote]

WDT ?

It’s all about cheap, low-tech.

This is called a moka pot and will run you about $20 at Bed, Bath, and Beyond.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It’s all about cheap, low-tech.

This is called a moka pot and will run you about $20 at Bed, Bath, and Beyond.[/quote]

my uncle swears by those things and medalia d’oro coffee from a can… he makes a killer latte with just the moka pot saucepan and whisk.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It’s all about cheap, low-tech.

This is called a moka pot and will run you about $20 at Bed, Bath, and Beyond.[/quote]

Mokas are great, but they don’t make espresso. I suppose if you can’t tell the difference, you might as well get the moka. But it still isn’t espresso.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It’s all about cheap, low-tech.

This is called a moka pot and will run you about $20 at Bed, Bath, and Beyond.

Mokas are great, but they don’t make espresso. I suppose if you can’t tell the difference, you might as well get the moka. But it still isn’t espresso.
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Oh, technicalities. The only difference is the mechanics – the amount of pressure that is driven thru the grind and the direction of the flow. Yes, it’s true there is no crema. For the person that doesn’t want the hassle of an espresso machine – especially considering their price and how long they last – he should consider a moka.

I actually prefer Turkish style which doesn’t require anything but a pot and extremely finely ground quality coffee. Yum!

nephorm-

you load pf after stirring or do you stir after loading pf ?

my question before was asking if you used “weiss distribution”…

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Oh, technicalities. The only difference is the mechanics – the amount of pressure that is driven thru the grind and the direction of the flow. Yes, it’s true there is no crema. For the person that doesn’t want the hassle of an espresso machine – especially considering their price and how long they last – he should consider a moka.

I actually prefer Turkish style which doesn’t require anything but a pot and extremely finely ground quality coffee. Yum![/quote]

Mechanics and taste. That’s sort of like saying that the only difference between a strong cup of percolated coffee and a cup of espresso is the mechanics. Different grind, different taste, different strength, different water volume. Moka isn’t espresso, and the difference isn’t just the crema.

[quote]swivel wrote:
nephorm-

you load pf after stirring or do you stir after loading pf ?

my question before was asking if you used “weiss distribution”…[/quote]

Yep, sorry, I just missed your question. I use something similar to weiss, but I still haven’t bought a yogurt container to cut out and stir in the portafilter. So right now I stir in a cup, and then pour the grinds into the portafilter. The results are not as even as I would get if I just went out and bought a damned yogurt and a hairpin, but what can I say.

Interesting article in today’s NYT about brewed coffee from high end ($11,000 to $21,000) machines.

[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Interesting article in today’s NYT about brewed coffee from high end ($11,000 to $21,000) machines.

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Interesting, especially with the focus on single-origin beans. Most of the focus in the espresso world is for a good blend to create a more complete flavor in the final extraction. I would definitely like to try one of these.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Interesting article in today’s NYT about brewed coffee from high end ($11,000 to $21,000) machines.

Interesting, especially with the focus on single-origin beans. Most of the focus in the espresso world is for a good blend to create a more complete flavor in the final extraction. I would definitely like to try one of these.[/quote]

These machines put the $200-$300 La Pavonis I’ve been watching on E-Bay into perspective.