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God Is Great!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267654,00.html

KILI FAQIRAN, Pakistan ? The boy with the knife looks barely 12. In a high-pitched voice, he denounces the bound, blindfolded man before him as an American spy. Then he hacks off the captive’s head to cries of “God is great!” and hoists it in triumph by the hair.

Damn. Religion really IS the key to peace…

Seriously, some people are pretty damn fucked up.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Damn. Religion really IS the key to peace…

Seriously, some people are pretty damn fucked up.[/quote]

Maybe even a lot of people are damn fucked up.

Sad.

A few points are in order here:

1- It is outright barbarism. I am at a loss for words to describe my disdaint towards such acts.

2- We have no idea how old the kid is. He look very young, but attributing the 12-years old is sensationalism.

3- Children being recruited as soldiers is nothing new. It has been common practice throughout Subsaharian conflicts. Europeans used them extensively few centuries back. The etymology of the term “infantry” attests to that. The novel concept here is that Islamist radicals use them.

4- The channels that diffused the video must refrain from doing that in the future. This is not journalism; it’s endorsment of barbarism. But then again, I must admit that I didn’t make such a comment when the same channel showed one of its senior correspondents shot by US military.

5- Question: What do you guys think should be done to the kid if he’s caught and he turns out to really be 12 or under?

2- We have no idea how old the kid is. He look very young, but attributing the 12-years old is sensationalism.

what are you saying? If he’s 15 it’s ok?

3- Children being recruited as soldiers is nothing new. It has been common practice throughout Subsaharian conflicts. Europeans used them extensively few centuries back. The etymology of the term “infantry” attests to that. The novel concept here is that Islamist radicals use them.

but not novel that Muslims use them. Read this article:

4- The channels that diffused the video must refrain from doing that in the future. This is not journalism; it’s endorsment of barbarism. But then again, I must admit that I didn’t make such a comment when the same channel showed one of its senior correspondents shot by US military.

Which channel and which senior correspondent? Details?

5- Question: What do you guys think should be done to the kid if he’s caught and he turns out to really be 12 or under?[/quote]

What should be done to him under islamic law?

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
what are you saying? If he’s 15 it’s ok? [/quote]

It’s NEVER ok to behead someone. I thought that was understood.

They (the Talibans) put a kid as form of PR.

[quote]but not novel that Muslims use them. Read this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannisary [/quote]

Absolutely!

We’re answering questions with other questions now?

I don’t know his age. But if it turns out he’s really 12 or below, he’ll probably walk free. His parents will have to pay a compensation to the family of the victim though.

Eh.

No worse than extremist Christian groups, at least according to Rosie.

Major Muslims leaders will now denounce these barbaric acts as against the principles of Islam…

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[quote]lixy wrote:

We’re answering questions with other questions now?[/quote]

Would you prefer he cram his world view down another culture’s throat without question?

That sounds like imperialism.

[quote]lucasa wrote:
lixy wrote:

We’re answering questions with other questions now?

Would you prefer he cram his world view down another culture’s throat without question?

That sounds like imperialism.[/quote]

I asked because a lot of people around the web have called for him to be executed. I am honestly confused as to what should be done to a kid who beheads others.

But since you’re deflecting the subject, I’m gonna assume you guys are as confused and ambivalent as I am.

[quote]lixy wrote:
lucasa wrote:
lixy wrote:

We’re answering questions with other questions now?

Would you prefer he cram his world view down another culture’s throat without question?

That sounds like imperialism.

I asked because a lot of people around the web have called for him to be executed. I am honestly confused as to what should be done to a kid who beheads others.

But since you’re deflecting the subject, I’m gonna assume you guys are as confused and ambivalent as I am.[/quote]

I think the question is can he ever become a normal functioning person in society? We would all agree a big amount of his choice is due to some sort of brainwashing.

In the US we give minor’s some grace, but we it comes to a crime as cruel as this you have to wonder what is the appropriate amount of grace.

I would hate to be on any Jury that tried a case like this.

[quote]lixy wrote:
lucasa wrote:
lixy wrote:

We’re answering questions with other questions now?

Would you prefer he cram his world view down another culture’s throat without question?

That sounds like imperialism.

I asked because a lot of people around the web have called for him to be executed. I am honestly confused as to what should be done to a kid who beheads others.

But since you’re deflecting the subject, I’m gonna assume you guys are as confused and ambivalent as I am.[/quote]

I’m quite clear and un-ambivalent. He needs to be hunted down by special forces an “eliminated”. That’s easy. We need to quit being pussies about this situation and realize these crazies are WAY more ruthless than our laws allow our soldiers to be.

Every time we say “you can’t shoot at mosques”, they move into mosques.

Every time we say “you can’t shoot unarmed women”, they hide behind unarmed women and shoot at us.

Now, they know Americans protect children above all. So the natural course of events is to use children to commit their atrocities.

We killed more Japanese by firebombing Tokyo than were killed by the A-Bombs. We would just unleashed total hell upon the enemy and it’s entire populace. I’m beginning to believe that’s what needs to happen again in the middle east. No mercy until it’s over.

No Americans died in the firebombing or the 2 A-Bomb attacks. Now Japan is a world industrial leader.

[quote]lixy wrote:
I asked because a lot of people around the web have called for him to be executed. I am honestly confused as to what should be done to a kid who beheads others.
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Age doesn’t mean anything in terms of understanding the consequences of one’s actions. In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black). I must admit though I do not think most people currently incarcerated under the law have the slightest concept of consequence in regard to violent crime.

I am of the mindset that most people who act violently are mentally ill. I don’t think of violence as a normal behavior and certainly violence can and most often is learned from peers, etc.

I don’t believe guilt or innocence should ride on such a fine line as the “age of innocence”. Everyone is different in that regard and I feel that in the US children mature emotionally at a much slower rate because the US is a highly censored culture. The internet is changing this though.

(Interestingly, I met a family in Spain who told me they would rather their children watch full fledged hardcore porn than any amount of violence on television. They told me this is a common sentiment in many European countries, though I don’t have enough data to support this claim. Imagine living in a culture where normal sexual behavior is out in the open but violence is shunned–even in entertainment?)

If this incident had happened in the US he would be removed from his mom and dad’s care and put into an institution, drugged to the point of oblivion, and or forgotten about. I think if something like this happens at a young enough age a person’s behavior could be modified. I think for some it isn’t possible.

I am against the death penalty in either event.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black). [/quote]

That’s no good. Where and under what law does that happen?

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black). [/quote]

Are you SHITTING me? That goes down as one of Lift’s all-time dumbest quotes.

What the hell do you expect. The mother fucker defied top taliban officials. Besides, who is going to keep the great tradition of beheading up if not the young.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black). [/quote]

That was a funny bit. Or maybe sad…

For what it’s worth, I’ll back that up. One needs only look at the number of sex vs. violent scenes in movies of both cultures to tell which Europeans abhor most.

[quote]lixy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black).

That was a funny bit. Or maybe sad…

Interestingly, I met a family in Spain who told me they would rather their children watch full fledged hardcore porn than any amount of violence on television. They told me this is a common sentiment in many European countries, though I don’t have enough data to support this claim.

For what it’s worth, I’ll back that up. One needs only look at the number of sex vs. violent scenes in movies of both cultures to tell which Europeans abhor most.[/quote]

Many European nations show full, uncut XXX hardcore porn on public TV.

[quote]PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black).

Are you SHITTING me? That goes down as one of Lift’s all-time dumbest quotes.
[/quote]

Ok, So I exaggerate to make a point…but can one argue with the statistics?

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1601/Bogira/Bogira.html

[quote]“Minority youth are being transferred to adult courts in disproportionate numbers, according to Bob Shepherd. This is particularly true in states, like Virginia, where judges decide who gets transferred, he says. The task force he is a member of found that 69 per cent of the juveniles transferred to adult court in Virginia were minorities, even though minorities were only 42 per cent of those charged with transferable offenses.”
[/quote]

http://www.burnsinstitute.org/press/100102.html

http://www.phila-tribune.com/channel/inthenews/092606/behindbars3.asp

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=27&did=203

This shows statistics of Youth’s sentenced to death for a crime committed as a juvenile. Out of 22 total 12 were minorities–that’s over half. We outrank China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia according to these numbers. Ironic that the US is the biggest to speak out about this practice around the world but has no problem with it’s member states carrying it out.

[quote]PGJ wrote:
lixy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
In the US under the law one becomes a legal adult at the age of 18 (thought there are certain instances where it can be younger, like if that person is black).

That was a funny bit. Or maybe sad…

Interestingly, I met a family in Spain who told me they would rather their children watch full fledged hardcore porn than any amount of violence on television. They told me this is a common sentiment in many European countries, though I don’t have enough data to support this claim.

For what it’s worth, I’ll back that up. One needs only look at the number of sex vs. violent scenes in movies of both cultures to tell which Europeans abhor most.

Many European nations show full, uncut XXX hardcore porn on public TV.

[/quote]
Yes I know. But it doesn’t come on until late at night.