[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Can’t tell much about form doing a “very light set”, form breaks down at heavier weights so what you are doing in that video isn’t necessarily what you’ll be doing with a few hundred pounds on your back. Only thing I’d comment on is it might be that the video is sideways, but it seems like you are going down too far for my liking on the good mornings.
I’d repost a video of something close to a 3RM if you want to get real answers.[/quote]
OK well I’m doing them tomorrow for my deload workout and was actually planning on going up to a 2-3RM so I’ll record it.
Does it seem like I should maybe bend my legs less? Looking back at the video and then taking a look at this one Good mornings = 180kg x 5 - YouTube it seems like maybe I should keep them a little straighter. That would place more emphasis on hamstrings right?
[quote]awwww_fuq wrote:
the most i have GM is @ 455 lbs for a triple. typically squat and deadlifts ratio are close to eachother… until you start getting really strong at GM. after that, it’s close to a hundred pounds difference between squats and deadlifts. i’m not saying that GM doesn’t enhance the deadlift; it’s just that it builds up the squat much much more.
if you stalled right there, my best guess is you have a weakness off the floor so deficit pulling or speed pulls. romanian deadlift might help too if you stop at the point you’re stalling and returning back up. if you are deadlifting too much, your deadlift numbers will drop. i went through your same situation where i made a pr one week and two weeks later i attempted the deadlift again and dropped 10-20 lbs. there could be a slew of other issues that’s preventing u from moving on up but if we assume form and nutrition is dead on, overtraining the deadlift and weakness off the floor is my two primary suspect.
just know that GM does not enhance the deadlift as much as you would like to believe. this could be observed in westside and elitefts lifters who’s squats far overshadow their deadlifts (and this is not just because of the squat suits).[/quote]
Actually I wouldn’t be doing the GM’s for deadlifts, if anything I’d be doing them for squats because naturally I’m fine at deadlifts but my body is just awful at squatting. As for deadlifting, it may be an overtraining thing with them but I’ve never done them more than once per week. I do know though that if I give it enough time I come back as strong as I used to be (for instance last time I hurt myself deadlifting 3x300 and then 2 weeks later only could do rack pulls with 2x285. I haven’t done any form of rack pulling/deadlifts since then 5 months ago but 2 days ago was able to get 2x335 pretty easily so it just came back…and yes I know that’s still pathetic lol).
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
Yeah, it’s hard to tell when the weight is light, but that’s fine. The way you’re doing GMs should target your lower back. I always feel narrow stance in my lower back and wide stance in my hamstrings. The rack pulls are fine. You’ll get a lot of lower back work that way. Some people really drop their hips and use a ton of leg drive, but that doesn’t carry over to an actual deadlift very well.[/quote]
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I’m surprised by that, I would think a narrower stance would provide more hamstring work because of the greater stretch, no? Maybe I’ll try a wider stance then if that focus more on hams.
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Yea I don’t want a lot of leg drive with my rack pulls. Apparently the way I’m doing them would build up upper back thickness which is what I want, although I don’t know if I can say I feel it a ton in upper back. Then again I was only doing 2-3 reps per set.
[quote]matsm21 wrote:
i’ve always used form as part of the progression with GM’s. when you go really heavy, its almost half a squat, and as you get stronger you tighten up the form as best you can. lighter weights i make it as hard on myself as possible and try not to let my ass shoot too far back. rack pulls, you have to pull back a little more. get your feet forward a little more. it will enable you to move more weight. don’t be a form nazi on either of these.[/quote]
Interesting, I kind of felt like it would make me fall backwards but I’ll give that a shot, it’s actually the way the article I first posted mentioned for those looking to hit the back muscles more.
As for GM’s it kind of looks like I’m already doing a half squat or so doesn’t it? I don’t know, the weight is really light…but it just felt natural to do that. I feel like even that weight would have been semi-difficult with straight legs.
