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Glenn Beck is the Worst Possible Advocate for Freedom

Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.[/quote]

Yeah, it’s a conspiracy. I’m sure it has nothing to do with ratings.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.[/quote]

And you back this up so well…Irrational fuckhead? And Katie Couric is a rational fuckhead? She needs a tit job.

Beck might be “over the top” with some of his conclusions, but he has more audio and video references to his statements than most news people use.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.[/quote]

He certainly doesn’t represent libertarians even though he claims to be one.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.

He certainly doesn’t represent libertarians even though he claims to be one.

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I dunno.

I think that is what vulgar libertarianism looks like.

He has most of the right instincts without the intellectual foundation.

If Beck was always as rational as he was on that interveiw I would probably like him

[quote]orion wrote:
Dustin wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.

He certainly doesn’t represent libertarians even though he claims to be one.

I dunno.

I think that is what vulgar libertarianism looks like.

He has most of the right instincts without the intellectual foundation.

[/quote]

Perhaps, and maybe he has changed his political stance, but I clearly remember him endorsing President Bush in 04 election. He was quite open about it on his radio show back then.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
orion wrote:
Dustin wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.

He certainly doesn’t represent libertarians even though he claims to be one.

I dunno.

I think that is what vulgar libertarianism looks like.

He has most of the right instincts without the intellectual foundation.

Perhaps, and maybe he has changed his political stance, but I clearly remember him endorsing President Bush in 04 election. He was quite open about it on his radio show back then.[/quote]

Yup, but I have seen him regretting that publicly.

There are still people who think that Bush was perfectly right.

They are the “conservative” version of liberalism. Their magic fix is not one more stimulus package but more troops.

At least he came around and admits it.

[quote]orion wrote:
Dustin wrote:
orion wrote:
Dustin wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.

He certainly doesn’t represent libertarians even though he claims to be one.

I dunno.

I think that is what vulgar libertarianism looks like.

He has most of the right instincts without the intellectual foundation.

Perhaps, and maybe he has changed his political stance, but I clearly remember him endorsing President Bush in 04 election. He was quite open about it on his radio show back then.

Yup, but I have seen him regretting that publicly.

There are still people who think that Bush was perfectly right.

They are the “conservative” version of liberalism. Their magic fix is not one more stimulus package but more troops.

At least he came around and admits it.[/quote]

If he is going to present himself as a libertarian, he could do himself a favor and present his ideas in a manner similar to the way he did in this interview, which was very reasonable.

He is far too prone to going off on Michael Savage-esque rants like the infamous “get off my phone” outburst, or believing that commies/socialists are everywhere.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.[/quote]

Yea, on occasion I find him to be over the top in his presentation, crying at times, sheesh. Other than that though I’ve not found too much factually wrong with what he’s said thus far, have you? If so what is it that you disagree with, be specific.

Yet he pulls in about as many viewers as O’Reilly.

If you know of a Libertarian that can do it better get them on T.V.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if FOX didn’t put him on just to sabotage the freedom movement. Just saw his interview with Katie Couric and it’s obivious that he is a complete irrational fuckhead who is easy to ridicule. That’s why they put him on. So that people will reflexively associate capitalist/limited government views with Glenn Beck.[/quote]

They put him on because of money, plain and simple. The Fox Sheeple will watch him.

Anyone ever wonder why not as many people watched him when we was on CNN? Seriously, it’s not like he changed. It tell you a lot about the people who watch Fox (i.e. that they will eat whatever Fox feeds them, and love it), and it tells you a lot about Fox: they thrive off of hysteria and irrationality.

And he certainly is polarizing. I don’t know many people who think he’s “okay” he’s either their savior or a raging lunatic.

But the Conservative movement in this country hasn’t been an intellectual movement for sometime now. It’s not a movement that in large would support someone like Goldwater anymore. Reagan essentially made it “un-cool” for conservatives to be smart and thoughtful, but demanded simplicity, black and white and intolerance, paving the way for the Palins of the world.

Whatever. I think it will end soon. There’s a younger generation that’s not in love with the massive government that both the “Conservatives” of the post-Reagan era, and the “Liberals” have built together. I’m hopeful.

We should start a betting pool to see who can predict when Beck has his big nervous breakdown.

That’s going to be a very good day.

[quote]orion wrote:

Perhaps, and maybe he has changed his political stance, but I clearly remember him endorsing President Bush in 04 election. He was quite open about it on his radio show back then.

Yup, but I have seen him regretting that publicly.

There are still people who think that Bush was perfectly right.

They are the “conservative” version of liberalism. Their magic fix is not one more stimulus package but more troops.

At least he came around and admits it.[/quote]

Totally worthless, and I’m calling bullshit as well. Anybody who couldn’t see that Bush was a big spender, was expanding executive power, and was also totally inept until after the 2004 elections, must have had their head all the way up their own ass. Bush actually toned it down at the end, and that’s when Glenn Beck becomes enlightened? Rubbish!

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Not to completely change the subject, but did anybody else see the new South Park mocking glenn beck? Pretty damn hilarious I thought.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The more I see who hates on Beck the more I like him.[/quote]

I don’t hate Glenn Beck (he makes me laugh and cringe) but I do think it’s sad that clowns like him, Hannity and Rush seem to be major players in the conservative movement. Where are the really really smart conservatives of today - where are today’s William F. Buckleys and William Safires?

Glenn Beck is a laughingstock in comparison. This situation is the end result of the Right’s political philosophy that says that intellectuals are the enemy. Consequently, you find yourself following circus clowns like Glenn Beck, rather than a Barry Goldwater or William F. Buckley.

I do love to see it happening, on a purely political level (it’s nice to see the other side heading in the wrong direction, full steam ahead) but it’s probably not good for America. Ultimately, politics shouldn’t be like a football game where you root for the other side to lose. But the right is so loathsome (the Rove/Hannity wing that has been in ascendency) that it’s hard not to.

[quote]K2000 wrote:
We should start a betting pool to see who can predict when Beck has his big nervous breakdown.

That’s going to be a very good day.[/quote]

Good day as in you’ll be glad that another human being had a nervous breakdown? Hey, that’s sort of mean spirited isn’t it? Oh that’s right you’re a liberal, sorry I forgot.

[quote]orion wrote:
I dunno.

I think that is what vulgar libertarianism looks like.

He has most of the right instincts without the intellectual foundation.[/quote]

Bingo.

But it’s American TV, what can we expect.

Television is for retards. You’re not going to find smart people on the idiot tube in this day and age.