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Girls Kicked Off Bus for Kissing

2 Girls Kicked Off Ore. Bus for Kissing
By WILLIAM McCALL, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jun 21, 6:06 AM

PORTLAND, Ore. - A transit agency chief apologized Wednesday to two teenage girls who were kicked off a city bus for kissing each other.

The girls, both 14, said the driver called them “sickos” after a female passenger complained about their kiss. The driver then stopped the bus along the street and forced them off.

“Removing the girls from the bus was not consistent with our policy,” said TriMet General Manager Fred Hansen. “I want to reiterate that we welcome all riders on our system.”

The 64-year-old driver also violated company policy that requires operators to call for assistance before removing any minors, TriMet said in a statement.

The driver, an 11-veteran who was not identified, will be disciplined, TriMet officials said, though no details were released.

“TriMet sincerely apologizes to the girls and their families for this incident,” Hansen said in the statement.

The mother of one of the girls, Ronnda Zezula, welcomed the apology.

“The only thing I had a problem with is they didn’t really address why the driver broke those policies,” Zezula said. “He knew it was wrong. He’s been a driver for 11 years.”

She also said she wished the agency had made the extent of the disciplinary action public to show it will not “be just a slap on the wrist.”

Zezula said the family has been encouraged to consider a lawsuit, but they will “have to mull it over.”

Would this be in the same league as the lawsuit some judge filed ($65 million) over his favorite pants?

Good. The bus company should give the girls free passes for the year to compensate them for the embarrasment and trouble the driver caused.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

“The only thing I had a problem with is they didn’t really address why the driver broke those policies,” Zezula said. “He knew it was wrong. He’s been a driver for 11 years.”

She also said she wished the agency had made the extent of the disciplinary action public to show it will not “be just a slap on the wrist.”

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“The only thing”?

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. Let alone in a public place to the point where it made others uncomfortable.

Lesbian women in a porn movie are a totally different thing. These girls were only 14.

I guess they were ugly.

DB

[quote]derek wrote:

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. Let alone in a public place to the point where it made others uncomfortable.
[/quote]

If it makes you uncomfortable it’s your problem, not theirs. (“You” being indefinate, not you being derek).

I won’t say it doesn’t make me squirm when two dudes kiss but I’m not gonna lose my shit.

Throwing them off was wrong, but it doesn’t seem like it warrents a huge ass lawsuit.

[quote]derek wrote:

“The only thing”?

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. Let alone in a public place to the point where it made others uncomfortable.

Lesbian women in a porn movie are a totally different thing. These girls were only 14.[/quote]

I don’t know how it is in America, but in Switzerland, it is perfectly normal for two girls who have been friends for a long time to kiss each other on the cheek or even lips as a form of saying hi or bye.

In southern Italy, it is perfectly normal for two men to kiss each other on the cheek for the same reason.

Now, all you need is an old woman who feels like bitching and this looks much more abnormal than it really is. Even if the two girls were making out, I don’t see a problem. I find it perfectly normal for two straight 14 year olds to be making out, so why shouldn’t lesbians be allowed to?

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I guess they were ugly.

DB[/quote]

LOL.

Problem 1.) The parents don’t seem concerned at all about Herpes transmission or the fact that their daughter is getting it on in public at the tender age of 14 on a bus.

Problem 2.) The idiot driving couldn’t see this potential problem coming a mile away considering the way our entire society seems to be working lately.

[quote]derek wrote:

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. … These girls were only 14.[/quote]

Why would you be concerned that your daughter is a lesbian? What would you do anyway? Try to talk her out of it? Please. Learn to accept things and move on.

[quote]Robert P. wrote:
I find it perfectly normal for two straight 14 year olds to be making out, so why shouldn’t lesbians be allowed to?
[/quote]

Most 14 year olds are thinking about it, but your busdriver must have been VERY liberal for them to allow two people to go at it like they were in a hotel room while on the bus. I don’t know what country you grew up in, but a scene like that would catch the attention of every kid on the bus no matter who it was. I am sure every guy on the bus immediately hit puberty right at that moment.

That is why I don’t understand statements like, “I don’t see the problem”.

[quote]Racarnus wrote:
derek wrote:

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. … These girls were only 14.

Why would you be concerned that your daughter is a lesbian? What would you do anyway? Try to talk her out of it? Please. Learn to accept things and move on.[/quote]

You clearly missed my point. Probably my fault, not yours (and others).

I couldn’t really care less about who’s gay/lesbian. I’ve made that abundantly clear in other threads (better to trust me on that rather than waste time varifying it).

The 14 y/o thing bothers me. The making out in public at 14 bothers me.

I’m an adult. The two 14 year old girls are very much children in every sense of the word.

This’d be a whole lot less contoversial in some respects if they were over the age of majority. They were NOT. They are still children. I don’t believe children belong making out with each other in public (or anywhere else).

[quote]Racarnus wrote:
derek wrote:

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. … These girls were only 14.

Why would you be concerned that your daughter is a lesbian? What would you do anyway? Try to talk her out of it? Please. Learn to accept things and move on.[/quote]

Just to be clear. I purposely wrote “14 y/o” many times. The “girl/girl” thing is not the issue. The child/child" thing IS the issue.

[quote]derek wrote:
“The only thing”?

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. Let alone in a public place to the point where it made others uncomfortable.

Lesbian women in a porn movie are a totally different thing. These girls were only 14.[/quote]

That would be YOUR business not the bus driver’s business.

I have to ask, would you be as “concerned” if your 14 yr old daughter was kissing a 14 yr old boy? I am not so sure we should make such a big deal about two young people showing affection in public–they were only kissing.

Do you think individuals have a moral obligation to not offend people? I ask this because I think we spend far too much time worrying about offending others. If people understood what personal liberty actually means then this wouldn’t be an issue.

Please note, I am not attacking your opinion of these two minors behavior just that it isn’t our business to parent them.

[quote]derek wrote:
I couldn’t really care less about who’s gay/lesbian. The 14 y/o thing bothers me. The making out in public at 14 bothers me. [/quote]

That’s exactly my take on it. Man, society is so freaking degenerate that people don’t see a problem with two children swapping massive amounts of spit while on public transportation?

Hell, massive amounts of spit-swapping by people of ANY age, while on a bus, is inappropriate. But kids? That’s even worse.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
derek wrote:
“The only thing”?

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. Let alone in a public place to the point where it made others uncomfortable.

Lesbian women in a porn movie are a totally different thing. These girls were only 14.

That would be YOUR business not the bus driver’s business.

I have to ask, would you be as “concerned” if your 14 yr old daughter was kissing a 14 yr old boy? I am not so sure we should make such a big deal about two young people showing affection in public–they were only kissing.

Do you think individuals have a moral obligation to not offend people? I ask this because I think we spend far too much time worrying about offending others. If people understood what personal liberty actually means then this wouldn’t be an issue.

Please note, I am not attacking your opinion of these two minors behavior just that it isn’t our business to parent them.[/quote]

Just wondering if you had a chance to read my posts above yours? I think I cleared that up but it probably wasn’t up when you replied.

Yes, I would be at least “concerned”. As I said, a 14 year old is still a child.

But honestly, I’d rather catch my kids kissing the opposite sex at 14 than same sex kissing. That’s just the way it goes. That’s too young to be making life-altering decisions. Would my world come tumbling down? No. I may be wrong but this seems more serious than two girlfriends holding hands like you might see during play-time. This was adult behavior by children.

My family and I (my wife, a 4 y/o and a 1 y/o) hang out with two of my gay clients fairly often. We go out to dinner and they have us all over for cookouts etc. So my problem is NOT with homosexuality itself. My problem is with children making out. And I cannot appologize for that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Robert P. wrote:
I find it perfectly normal for two straight 14 year olds to be making out, so why shouldn’t lesbians be allowed to?

Most 14 year olds are thinking about it, but your busdriver must have been VERY liberal for them to allow two people to go at it like they were in a hotel room while on the bus. I don’t know what country you grew up in, but a scene like that would catch the attention of every kid on the bus no matter who it was. I am sure every guy on the bus immediately hit puberty right at that moment.

That is why I don’t understand statements like, “I don’t see the problem”.[/quote]

Could you be more specific regardig the movie that goes on in your head?

I just imagined two girls kissing while you seem to see a scene of “Kids”…

I would agree that a line is crossed if dildos are involved but kissing?

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
derek wrote:
I couldn’t really care less about who’s gay/lesbian. The 14 y/o thing bothers me. The making out in public at 14 bothers me.

That’s exactly my take on it. Man, society is so freaking degenerate that people don’t see a problem with two children swapping massive amounts of spit while on public transportation?

Hell, massive amounts of spit-swapping by people of ANY age, while on a bus, is inappropriate. But kids? That’s even worse.
[/quote]

Thank you so much. I was beginning to think I was going CRAZY.

I was all but called a homophope up there. I guess I cannot type very clearly.

Either that or people enjoy deciding who I am and what I think despite reading the opposite in my posts.

[quote]derek wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
derek wrote:

I’d be at least a little concerned about my 14 y/o daughter kissing another 14 y/o girl. … These girls were only 14.

Why would you be concerned that your daughter is a lesbian? What would you do anyway? Try to talk her out of it? Please. Learn to accept things and move on.

Just to be clear. I purposely wrote “14 y/o” many times. The “girl/girl” thing is not the issue. The child/child" thing IS the issue.[/quote]

14 is a child?

Only in the US.

Not that it would be true there, but you can pretend all you want.

[quote]orion wrote:
14 is a child?

Only in the US.

Not that it would be true there, but you can pretend all you want.
[/quote]

Ummmmmmm, do you have kids of your own?

Then fly to the States and find yourself a nice 14 year old girl to date. If you survived her dad and/or her brothers and uncles, you’d be thrown in jail where you could then “date” whoever you want.

American Herritage Dictionary defines CHILD as;

“A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.”

That pretty much makes me right and you wrong, sorry.

Before everyone gets in a parenting fight I think we need to know if it was just a quick kiss or full on making out.

Knowing the state that its coming from and the fact that it was an old lady who complained, it could have been a peck on the lips and nothing more.

Haha the defining factor: was there tongue?

If there was, then let the parenting battle begin.

Although I lost my virginity a lot later, when I was 13 I had a 12 year old girlfriend.

We were an official couple for 8 months, handholding, kissing and all. Our parents new. 23 years later I’m still friends with her.

That’s just the age when most of us start to discover the other (or same) sex, whether the parents like it or not.

Better some public kissing then abusing other passengers, knifing or shooting each other.

Makkun