I’m starting to believe this more and more, but i do think the more clean you keep it, the leaner the mass gain will be and that there’s no reason to have to “get fat” when bulking.
I don’t think anyone is telling you to “get fat”. All they are saying (and correctly) is that, when trying to add serious amounts of muscle mass, your priority MUST be on that rather than staying at a certain BF% or whatever. Bulking does not = senseless mass gaining, but rather eating enough every day for you to grow and if that requires a gain of 10-15 pounds or even more of body fat, then who cares. Fat is easy to get rid of compared to gaining serious muscle.[/quote]
Thats all i meant too… and IMo this is especially true for ectos where fat is slowly put on as is muscle. The extra calores are often 9in my case) never empty, but high fat and high protein for the most part. If it is a high fat and sugar meal then i’ll supplement with protein. This ensures that the protein gets to do it’s job as there is plenty of forms of other energy.
OP - look at the picture i have of me in my profile. That is recently (maybe a week) after a nice bulk period which i will maintain due to life reasons and then add to. Over the maintenance period it is common for my fat to lower naturally… I never venture above ~15% and it is likely what i am there (by eye).
I am naturally slim, so i can eat a lot for a long time and only get a very slow increase in fat.
I would guesstimate i eat somewhere around 70%:30: clean:dirty when bulking, 80:20 when maintaining and 90:10% when dieting. No-ones perfect
This is the absolutely perfect scenario for gaining mind you - and it took me a damn long time to find where that point was for me. Too much fat gain and calories are too high for what you can utilise. Too little/no fat gain and you could be compromising growth.
When you have a slow fat accumulation you KNOW you are growing in muscularity (the mirror doesn’t always show it - especially when natural) but not at the sacrifice of your health, your look OR without having to cut down from ~20% likely resulting in losses IF you are of a naturally slim build to begin with.
By all means try it your way but trust me, i was where you are and believed what you do - i just found out after years of trial and error. Maybe one HAS to learn for oneself. A rite of passage so to speak.
Good luck either way - also i didn’t take offence,