Getting Opiates Prescribed for Pain

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[quote]Artem wrote:
Anyways, I’ve got an appointment with a pain specialist in a few days. So… any advice on my original question: What to say to get as hard an opiate prescribed as possible?[/quote]

Theres only one way that this is possible. The doctor has to believe that

(1) you have legitimate back pain. This may mean he’ll want a concrete diagnosis.

(2) you’ve been through physical therapy and tried weaker opiates, and still have not had relief from your pain. Any respectable doc will want to put you on the weakest effective drug

(3) that you’re not a running a game to get legal access to stronger drugs.

It may not happen in the first visit, but if this is your goal it’ll be worth the wait. Obviously, telling the doc that you’ve illegally bought weaker opiates, and they haven’t helped your pain, will only hinder your cause.

Just tell him the truth, but leave out the part about the illegal purchases. Tell him how nothing so far has helped you regain your quality of life, and you are running out of options.

BTW, I happen to agree with people that have told you that this is in fact an awful idea. You’ve said that you’re actively trying to become dependent on oxy.

However, you’ve also said that you understand and accept the risk. As long as it doesn’t effect anyone else, then I see no harm. The problem is that it may actually effect other people, if you run out of oxy and decide to jump over a pharmacy counter waving a tire iron to get more.

Your addiction will inevitably start to effect people that care about you, also. But hey, no one here can stop you anyway, so heres the advice you were looking for. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.
[/quote]

Agreed. The statement you made was very naive. You will end up doing them more and more to get that “god like” feeling. Just don’t end up on a documentary about the drug. See: Oxycontin Express

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[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.
[/quote]
How is relief from chronic pain and a great, optimistic mood a bad thing? If it comes along with dependency, than fine. That’s my choice. Who are you people to tell me that that’s wrong? Seriously, quit being so self-righteous. I came here asking for advice on what to say to a doctor. I got 0 replies concerning that. I do thank the people who linked useful information; I will read it. I’ve done plenty of drugs and I know which ones make me act poorly. I obviously don’t plan on using those regularly. Opiates make my life better and who are any of you to tell me otherwise? I am aware that they are addictive. I’m not in denial here. I know the facts, accept them, and am asking for advice. If you can help me with what I asked for help with, then I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.
[/quote]

Why don’t you just blow your brains out and end the pain once and for all? If you start using one of the most addictive substances you can legally get your hands on with the attitude you have outlined above, you’re probably headed down a dark, dark path anyways. People are trying to steer you away from what is clearly a bad remedy for your back and you’re angry and self-righteous about it? Trust me, if you develop a chronic addiction to oxy and/or other opiates, your back pain is going to seem like a fucking picnic in the park. And if you begin to take opiates on a regular basis in order to rid yourself of pain and you seem to think you are impervious to addiction AND the pain actually does subside, then what motivation is there for you to ever stop using them?

If you’re going to ridicule all the sensible advice Prof X and others have given you here, then I’ll provide you with a little advice of my own instead that cuts right to the chase and will save you a lot of time in the long haul. Can you guess what it is?

Yep. Slit your fucking throat.

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[quote]Artem wrote:
Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.
[/quote]

If you’re referring to my post, that was a South Park reference. A joke. You’re naive if you think none of the people giving you advice have any experience with drugs. Or for that matter, experience with drug abuse and addiction as well. When I see a person say something as dumb as “I wouldn’t mind dependence” when it comes to a serious drug, I can’t bite my tongue and let is slide.

I don’t think drugs in themselves are bad at all; until they’re abused that is.

Good luck.

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
Anyways, I’ve got an appointment with a pain specialist in a few days. So… any advice on my original question: What to say to get as hard an opiate prescribed as possible?[/quote]

Theres only one way that this is possible. The doctor has to believe that

(1) you have legitimate back pain. This may mean he’ll want a concrete diagnosis.

(2) you’ve been through physical therapy and tried weaker opiates, and still have not had relief from your pain. Any respectable doc will want to put you on the weakest effective drug

(3) that you’re not a running a game to get legal access to stronger drugs.

It may not happen in the first visit, but if this is your goal it’ll be worth the wait. Obviously, telling the doc that you’ve illegally bought weaker opiates, and they haven’t helped your pain, will only hinder your cause.

Just tell him the truth, but leave out the part about the illegal purchases. Tell him how nothing so far has helped you regain your quality of life, and you are running out of options.

BTW, I happen to agree with people that have told you that this is in fact an awful idea. You’ve said that you’re actively trying to become dependent on oxy.

However, you’ve also said that you understand and accept the risk. As long as it doesn’t effect anyone else, then I see no harm. The problem is that it may actually effect other people, if you run out of oxy and decide to jump over a pharmacy counter waving a tire iron to get more.

Your addiction will inevitably start to effect people that care about you, also. But hey, no one here can stop you anyway, so heres the advice you were looking for. Good luck and let us know how it goes.[/quote]
Thank you for this post.

  1. I got a referral from my primary doctor for the pain specialist; they wouldn’t let me make an appointment without one. I’ll be making an appointment tomorrow.

  2. I also have proof that I’ve been through physical therapy and can contact any of the other doctors who I visited. I introduced one to the keto diet and he ended up going on it himself to lose weight for surgery and started using it for his patients. So he could put in a good word for me. My mom will also be there to testify, so that’s something.

  3. I have no idea how to show him that I’m not trying to do anything illegal with the prescribed drugs, which I’m not. I just won’t say anything about that unless he does.

Plan so far is to just tell him the story of the pain, say what doctors I’ve visited and the therapy that I’ve completed, say what my X-Ray results were, and say that it’s severely effecting my quality of life (which it is). Also that I will continue to actively seek treatment for the source of the problem and that the drugs are for now so that I can go on about my life without pain.

Also, would it be good to say that I have tried Tramadol and Codeine in Costa Rica because the pain was very bad there and that they did not work? It doesn’t imply anything illegal. It’s probably a bad idea to say that I was taking 400mg regularly. I’ll just say I’d pop the recommended dose of Oxa Forte and it didn’t help. Then, tried Tramadol, and that didn’t help either. Do say that I felt mild relief on them, but it was very incomplete and short-lasting, which is also true. That would imply that opiates do help, but I need stronger ones. Also tell him that I’ve tried all NSAID medications and that they didn’t help either.

From there, he might put me on hydrocodone or possibly Tylenol 3s, but I doubt it since Oxa Forte is 50mg codeine a tab and T3s are 8mg codeine and 350mg acetaminophen, I think. I have no clue; that’s just a guess. Then wait a few weeks and say that that doesn’t help either, which it doesn’t. Then see where he goes from there… Hopefully, a low dose of oxycodone will follow. Chill on that for a while then go back until I’m getting 40s or 80s, hopefully; that would be fucking magical.

So, all of this would imply that:
-I have tried NSAIDs and weak opiates, all of recommended dosages, and that they didn’t help.
-I do have legitimate back pain that is lowering my quality of life.

Obviously, I’ll dress semi-formally and just be normal and speak intelligently so that I don’t appear to be some stoner or someone trying to get Oxys to rail.

Also, I should appear to have no knowledge of anything like APAP and cold water extractions, right? As that would imply I want to use the drugs recreationally. And don’t say anything about what I take to potentiate the opiates, obviously.

So that’s my plan so far. What do you think?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.
[/quote]
How is relief from chronic pain and a great, optimistic mood a bad thing? If it comes along with dependency, than fine. That’s my choice. Who are you people to tell me that that’s wrong? Seriously, quit being so self-righteous. I came here asking for advice on what to say to a doctor. I got 0 replies concerning that. I do thank the people who linked useful information; I will read it. I’ve done plenty of drugs and I know which ones make me act poorly. I obviously don’t plan on using those regularly. Opiates make my life better and who are any of you to tell me otherwise? I am aware that they are addictive. I’m not in denial here. I know the facts, accept them, and am asking for advice. If you can help me with what I asked for help with, then I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.
[/quote]

Why don’t you just blow your brains out and end the pain once and for all? If you start using one of the most addictive substances you can legally get your hands on with the attitude you have outlined above, you’re probably headed down a dark, dark path anyways. People are trying to steer you away from what is clearly a bad remedy for your back and you’re angry and self-righteous about it? Trust me, if you develop a chronic addiction to oxy and/or other opiates, your back pain is going to seem like a fucking picnic in the park. And if you begin to take opiates on a regular basis in order to rid yourself of pain and you seem to think you are impervious to addiction AND the pain actually does subside, then what motivation is there for you to ever stop using them?

If you’re going to ridicule all the sensible advice Prof X and others have given you here, then I’ll provide you with a little advice of my own instead that cuts right to the chase and will save you a lot of time in the long haul. Can you guess what it is?

Yep. Slit your fucking throat.[/quote]
I’ve contemplated it quite a bit, but I’m good for now. Thanks for the advice, though.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.
[/quote]

If you’re referring to my post, that was a South Park reference. A joke. You’re naive if you think none of the people giving you advice have any experience with drugs. Or for that matter, experience with drug abuse and addiction as well. When I see a person say something as dumb as “I wouldn’t mind dependence” when it comes to a serious drug, I can’t bite my tongue and let is slide.

I don’t think drugs in themselves are bad at all; until they’re abused that is.

Good luck.[/quote]
I don’t plan on taking the opiates regularly. Just before I have to stand for extensive periods of time and occasionally, recreational doses. I know that this means jack shit to any of you, but I do have great willpower and self-control. And I do have experience with drug addiction. And all is fine and dandy now. If I get some opiates prescribed, I plan to use them for pain as needed, which will be like 1-2 times a week. Pretty much before long work hours or if I go hiking or something like that. Also, airplane seats make my back fucking kill. I was silly doped up on the plane ride home from Costa Rica in the one fucking aisle who’s seats don’t recline, and my eyes were still watering. And recreationally, I know how to avoid addiction as well. And I totally see how that sounds like bullshit and something a future addict would say, but whatever. It’s the fucking internet. Who cares? You guys don’t know me and I don’t know you.

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[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
Anyways, I’ve got an appointment with a pain specialist in a few days. So… any advice on my original question: What to say to get as hard an opiate prescribed as possible?[/quote]

Theres only one way that this is possible. The doctor has to believe that

(1) you have legitimate back pain. This may mean he’ll want a concrete diagnosis.

(2) you’ve been through physical therapy and tried weaker opiates, and still have not had relief from your pain. Any respectable doc will want to put you on the weakest effective drug

(3) that you’re not a running a game to get legal access to stronger drugs.

It may not happen in the first visit, but if this is your goal it’ll be worth the wait. Obviously, telling the doc that you’ve illegally bought weaker opiates, and they haven’t helped your pain, will only hinder your cause.

Just tell him the truth, but leave out the part about the illegal purchases. Tell him how nothing so far has helped you regain your quality of life, and you are running out of options.

BTW, I happen to agree with people that have told you that this is in fact an awful idea. You’ve said that you’re actively trying to become dependent on oxy.

However, you’ve also said that you understand and accept the risk. As long as it doesn’t effect anyone else, then I see no harm. The problem is that it may actually effect other people, if you run out of oxy and decide to jump over a pharmacy counter waving a tire iron to get more.

Your addiction will inevitably start to effect people that care about you, also. But hey, no one here can stop you anyway, so heres the advice you were looking for. Good luck and let us know how it goes.[/quote]
Thank you for this post.

  1. I got a referral from my primary doctor for the pain specialist; they wouldn’t let me make an appointment without one. I’ll be making an appointment tomorrow.

  2. I also have proof that I’ve been through physical therapy and can contact any of the other doctors who I visited. I introduced one to the keto diet and he ended up going on it himself to lose weight for surgery and started using it for his patients. So he could put in a good word for me. My mom will also be there to testify, so that’s something.

  3. I have no idea how to show him that I’m not trying to do anything illegal with the prescribed drugs, which I’m not. I just won’t say anything about that unless he does.

Plan so far is to just tell him the story of the pain, say what doctors I’ve visited and the therapy that I’ve completed, say what my X-Ray results were, and say that it’s severely effecting my quality of life (which it is). Also that I will continue to actively seek treatment for the source of the problem and that the drugs are for now so that I can go on about my life without pain.

Also, would it be good to say that I have tried Tramadol and Codeine in Costa Rica because the pain was very bad there and that they did not work? It doesn’t imply anything illegal. It’s probably a bad idea to say that I was taking 400mg regularly. I’ll just say I’d pop the recommended dose of Oxa Forte and it didn’t help. Then, tried Tramadol, and that didn’t help either. Do say that I felt mild relief on them, but it was very incomplete and short-lasting, which is also true. That would imply that opiates do help, but I need stronger ones. Also tell him that I’ve tried all NSAID medications and that they didn’t help either.

From there, he might put me on hydrocodone or possibly Tylenol 3s, but I doubt it since Oxa Forte is 50mg codeine a tab and T3s are 8mg codeine and 350mg acetaminophen, I think. I have no clue; that’s just a guess. Then wait a few weeks and say that that doesn’t help either, which it doesn’t. Then see where he goes from there… Hopefully, a low dose of oxycodone will follow. Chill on that for a while then go back until I’m getting 40s or 80s, hopefully; that would be fucking magical.

So, all of this would imply that:
-I have tried NSAIDs and weak opiates, all of recommended dosages, and that they didn’t help.
-I do have legitimate back pain that is lowering my quality of life.

Obviously, I’ll dress semi-formally and just be normal and speak intelligently so that I don’t appear to be some stoner or someone trying to get Oxys to rail.

Also, I should appear to have no knowledge of anything like APAP and cold water extractions, right? As that would imply I want to use the drugs recreationally. And don’t say anything about what I take to potentiate the opiates, obviously.

So that’s my plan so far. What do you think?[/quote]
Quoting my post here so that it’s on the second page as well, as it’s the most important post in here for me thus far.

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Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict,I’ll beg you, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy (if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen!

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[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
Anyways, I’ve got an appointment with a pain specialist in a few days. So… any advice on my original question: What to say to get as hard an opiate prescribed as possible?[/quote]

Theres only one way that this is possible. The doctor has to believe that

(1) you have legitimate back pain. This may mean he’ll want a concrete diagnosis.

(2) you’ve been through physical therapy and tried weaker opiates, and still have not had relief from your pain. Any respectable doc will want to put you on the weakest effective drug

(3) that you’re not a running a game to get legal access to stronger drugs.

It may not happen in the first visit, but if this is your goal it’ll be worth the wait. Obviously, telling the doc that you’ve illegally bought weaker opiates, and they haven’t helped your pain, will only hinder your cause.

Just tell him the truth, but leave out the part about the illegal purchases. Tell him how nothing so far has helped you regain your quality of life, and you are running out of options.

BTW, I happen to agree with people that have told you that this is in fact an awful idea. You’ve said that you’re actively trying to become dependent on oxy.

However, you’ve also said that you understand and accept the risk. As long as it doesn’t effect anyone else, then I see no harm. The problem is that it may actually effect other people, if you run out of oxy and decide to jump over a pharmacy counter waving a tire iron to get more.

Your addiction will inevitably start to effect people that care about you, also. But hey, no one here can stop you anyway, so heres the advice you were looking for. Good luck and let us know how it goes.[/quote]
Thank you for this post.

  1. I got a referral from my primary doctor for the pain specialist; they wouldn’t let me make an appointment without one. I’ll be making an appointment tomorrow.

  2. I also have proof that I’ve been through physical therapy and can contact any of the other doctors who I visited. I introduced one to the keto diet and he ended up going on it himself to lose weight for surgery and started using it for his patients. So he could put in a good word for me. My mom will also be there to testify, so that’s something.

  3. I have no idea how to show him that I’m not trying to do anything illegal with the prescribed drugs, which I’m not. I just won’t say anything about that unless he does.

Plan so far is to just tell him the story of the pain, say what doctors I’ve visited and the therapy that I’ve completed, say what my X-Ray results were, and say that it’s severely effecting my quality of life (which it is). Also that I will continue to actively seek treatment for the source of the problem and that the drugs are for now so that I can go on about my life without pain.

Also, would it be good to say that I have tried Tramadol and Codeine in Costa Rica because the pain was very bad there and that they did not work? It doesn’t imply anything illegal. It’s probably a bad idea to say that I was taking 400mg regularly. I’ll just say I’d pop the recommended dose of Oxa Forte and it didn’t help. Then, tried Tramadol, and that didn’t help either. Do say that I felt mild relief on them, but it was very incomplete and short-lasting, which is also true. That would imply that opiates do help, but I need stronger ones. Also tell him that I’ve tried all NSAID medications and that they didn’t help either.

From there, he might put me on hydrocodone or possibly Tylenol 3s, but I doubt it since Oxa Forte is 50mg codeine a tab and T3s are 8mg codeine and 350mg acetaminophen, I think. I have no clue; that’s just a guess. Then wait a few weeks and say that that doesn’t help either, which it doesn’t. Then see where he goes from there… Hopefully, a low dose of oxycodone will follow. Chill on that for a while then go back until I’m getting 40s or 80s, hopefully; that would be fucking magical.

So, all of this would imply that:
-I have tried NSAIDs and weak opiates, all of recommended dosages, and that they didn’t help.
-I do have legitimate back pain that is lowering my quality of life.

Obviously, I’ll dress semi-formally and just be normal and speak intelligently so that I don’t appear to be some stoner or someone trying to get Oxys to rail.

Also, I should appear to have no knowledge of anything like APAP and cold water extractions, right? As that would imply I want to use the drugs recreationally. And don’t say anything about what I take to potentiate the opiates, obviously.

So that’s my plan so far. What do you think?[/quote]

Sounds like a pretty solid plan. About showing him that you’re not trying to just scam him to get drugs, I think that is where your demeanor and body language will come into play. This should be easy since I do believe that your pain is legitimate, as is your frustration with lack of relief so far.

Definently do not let on that you have any type of knowledge about cold water extractions or anything like that. If anything, act like you are slightly nervous about taking strong narcotics, but will reluctantly do it only because you desperately need relief.

About Costa Rica. This could go either way. Yes its legal there, but it could appear to a doctor (who is nervous about his license being suspended) to be drug seeking behavior. Maybe you could mention it, but play it down like you said. Say that while you happened to be there anyway, you took the available over the counter medication, and what it was.

Also, he may ask you questions like “how many times per week do you drink?” or “did you experiment with pot, or anything else, in highschool?”. I’m not a doctor, but he may want to get a feel for whether you have an addictive personality.

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and realize these drugs are going to be HIGHLY regulated soon and you will not have easy access to them in the future…what will you do then?

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Artem,

As one of those “internet dads”, all i’m going to say is that my sister has back and hip issues that cause her pain every second of every day. The only thing that worked was Oxy and another drug that I don’t remember.

She took the prescribed dose at first, then, she was hooked after a short period of time. Well, she ran out of her prescription a week or 2 early and they wouldn’t fill her prescription… of course.

The next week was pure hell. She wanted to fucking die, because the withdraw was so bad and she just wanted relief. It took between a week or two to start feeling functional again. The doc has put her on Methadone, instead. (good stuff, also) The painkillers changed her body chemistry dramatically. She has zero energy, gains weight rapidly, moody as hell, and can’t focus worth a shit.

People are concerned, and that’s why many are reacting the way they are.

I feel sorry for your parents, to be honest.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]
You were hooked on coke, I lost almost a month of memory and almost went to prison on benzos. But we’re both gravy now. And I don’t need to steal money to buy drugs. I can finance my drug habits just fine. Appreciate the concern, though. Withdrawals aren’t that fucking bad. You feel like shit for a week or two, then it’s over. Totally worth it for months of awesomeness.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]

You should definitely listen to the above advice. I remember about a year ago when Ct. Rockula made a post about his drug use and essentially said the same things you are saying; denying his addiction or ability to become addicted and so on. It was pretty ignorant shit (no offense Rock) but at least he could point to his drug use as an excuse for his denial. You aren’t even using oxy yet and you’re basically already in denial. I’d hate to hear your denials when or if you become entangled in the throes of hardcore opiate addiction.

I’ve been on both sides of the fence just like Rockula. All joking about slitting your throat aside, listen to Rockula and listen to me. Rockula will be the first to tell you that your attitude very closely resembles his before he overcame his addictions. And it’s also very similar to mine before I got sober. Some people can use drugs and stop whenever they want and others cannot. But you are about to use oxy in a manner that is virtually guaranteeing future addiction, given your laissez faire attitude about addiction. If you think back pain is having a detrimental effect on your life, you haven’t seen shit yet. Cocaine, alcohol, crystal meth, they’re all highly addictive, but they PALE in comparison to opiates, and oxy is one hell of an opiate.

Glad to hear you’re doing well Rockula.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Artem,

As one of those “internet dads”, all i’m going to say is that my sister has back and hip issues that cause her pain every second of every day. The only thing that worked was Oxy and another drug that I don’t remember.

She took the prescribed dose at first, then, she was hooked after a short period of time. Well, she ran out of her prescription a week or 2 early and they wouldn’t fill her prescription… of course.

The next week was pure hell. She wanted to fucking die, because the withdraw was so bad and she just wanted relief. It took between a week or two to start feeling functional again. The doc has put her on Methadone, instead. (good stuff, also) The painkillers changed her body chemistry dramatically. She has zero energy, gains weight rapidly, moody as hell, and can’t focus worth a shit.

People are concerned, and that’s why many are reacting the way they are.

I feel sorry for your parents, to be honest.[/quote]
Implying I know both my parents or still live at home. Sorry about your sister, though. Opiates, compared to many other classes of drugs, have some of the least long-term side effects. They’re just very addictive. Once you get over that, it’s alright. I know plenty of people who got off of oxys and heroin even, and after the few weeks of hell, they’re fine.

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[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]
You were hooked on coke, I lost almost a month of memory and almost went to prison on benzos. But we’re both gravy now. And I don’t need to steal money to buy drugs. I can finance my drug habits just fine. Appreciate the concern, though. Withdrawals aren’t that fucking bad. You feel like shit for a week or two, then it’s over. Totally worth it for months of awesomeness.[/quote]

I’m seriously beginning to doubt the veracity of your posts. You must be trolling. If not, save this thread and go back to it when you run out of oxy and the withdrawals set in.

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
Anyways, I’ve got an appointment with a pain specialist in a few days. So… any advice on my original question: What to say to get as hard an opiate prescribed as possible?[/quote]

Theres only one way that this is possible. The doctor has to believe that

(1) you have legitimate back pain. This may mean he’ll want a concrete diagnosis.

(2) you’ve been through physical therapy and tried weaker opiates, and still have not had relief from your pain. Any respectable doc will want to put you on the weakest effective drug

(3) that you’re not a running a game to get legal access to stronger drugs.

It may not happen in the first visit, but if this is your goal it’ll be worth the wait. Obviously, telling the doc that you’ve illegally bought weaker opiates, and they haven’t helped your pain, will only hinder your cause.

Just tell him the truth, but leave out the part about the illegal purchases. Tell him how nothing so far has helped you regain your quality of life, and you are running out of options.

BTW, I happen to agree with people that have told you that this is in fact an awful idea. You’ve said that you’re actively trying to become dependent on oxy.

However, you’ve also said that you understand and accept the risk. As long as it doesn’t effect anyone else, then I see no harm. The problem is that it may actually effect other people, if you run out of oxy and decide to jump over a pharmacy counter waving a tire iron to get more.

Your addiction will inevitably start to effect people that care about you, also. But hey, no one here can stop you anyway, so heres the advice you were looking for. Good luck and let us know how it goes.[/quote]
Thank you for this post.

  1. I got a referral from my primary doctor for the pain specialist; they wouldn’t let me make an appointment without one. I’ll be making an appointment tomorrow.

  2. I also have proof that I’ve been through physical therapy and can contact any of the other doctors who I visited. I introduced one to the keto diet and he ended up going on it himself to lose weight for surgery and started using it for his patients. So he could put in a good word for me. My mom will also be there to testify, so that’s something.

  3. I have no idea how to show him that I’m not trying to do anything illegal with the prescribed drugs, which I’m not. I just won’t say anything about that unless he does.

Plan so far is to just tell him the story of the pain, say what doctors I’ve visited and the therapy that I’ve completed, say what my X-Ray results were, and say that it’s severely effecting my quality of life (which it is). Also that I will continue to actively seek treatment for the source of the problem and that the drugs are for now so that I can go on about my life without pain.

Also, would it be good to say that I have tried Tramadol and Codeine in Costa Rica because the pain was very bad there and that they did not work? It doesn’t imply anything illegal. It’s probably a bad idea to say that I was taking 400mg regularly. I’ll just say I’d pop the recommended dose of Oxa Forte and it didn’t help. Then, tried Tramadol, and that didn’t help either. Do say that I felt mild relief on them, but it was very incomplete and short-lasting, which is also true. That would imply that opiates do help, but I need stronger ones. Also tell him that I’ve tried all NSAID medications and that they didn’t help either.

From there, he might put me on hydrocodone or possibly Tylenol 3s, but I doubt it since Oxa Forte is 50mg codeine a tab and T3s are 8mg codeine and 350mg acetaminophen, I think. I have no clue; that’s just a guess. Then wait a few weeks and say that that doesn’t help either, which it doesn’t. Then see where he goes from there… Hopefully, a low dose of oxycodone will follow. Chill on that for a while then go back until I’m getting 40s or 80s, hopefully; that would be fucking magical.

So, all of this would imply that:
-I have tried NSAIDs and weak opiates, all of recommended dosages, and that they didn’t help.
-I do have legitimate back pain that is lowering my quality of life.

Obviously, I’ll dress semi-formally and just be normal and speak intelligently so that I don’t appear to be some stoner or someone trying to get Oxys to rail.

Also, I should appear to have no knowledge of anything like APAP and cold water extractions, right? As that would imply I want to use the drugs recreationally. And don’t say anything about what I take to potentiate the opiates, obviously.

So that’s my plan so far. What do you think?[/quote]

Sounds like a pretty solid plan. About showing him that you’re not trying to just scam him to get drugs, I think that is where your demeanor and body language will come into play. This should be easy since I do believe that your pain is legitimate, as is your frustration with lack of relief so far.

Definently do not let on that you have any type of knowledge about cold water extractions or anything like that. If anything, act like you are slightly nervous about taking strong narcotics, but will reluctantly do it only because you desperately need relief.

About Costa Rica. This could go either way. Yes its legal there, but it could appear to a doctor (who is nervous about his license being suspended) to be drug seeking behavior. Maybe you could mention it, but play it down like you said. Say that while you happened to be there anyway, you took the available over the counter medication, and what it was.

Also, he may ask you questions like “how many times per week do you drink?” or “did you experiment with pot, or anything else, in highschool?”. I’m not a doctor, but he may want to get a feel for whether you have an addictive personality. [/quote]
Sounds good, thank you.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Artem,

As one of those “internet dads”, all i’m going to say is that my sister has back and hip issues that cause her pain every second of every day. The only thing that worked was Oxy and another drug that I don’t remember.

She took the prescribed dose at first, then, she was hooked after a short period of time. Well, she ran out of her prescription a week or 2 early and they wouldn’t fill her prescription… of course.

The next week was pure hell. She wanted to fucking die, because the withdraw was so bad and she just wanted relief. It took between a week or two to start feeling functional again. The doc has put her on Methadone, instead. (good stuff, also) The painkillers changed her body chemistry dramatically. She has zero energy, gains weight rapidly, moody as hell, and can’t focus worth a shit.

People are concerned, and that’s why many are reacting the way they are.

I feel sorry for your parents, to be honest.[/quote]

I feel the same way. Any responsible person will advise Artem against this. But some people just need to find out on their own, no amount or combination of words will change their mind. He’s dead set on doing it.

I do believe his pain is real and that no treatment so far has worked. Since oxy is legal, its the doctor’s responsibility to weed out people who are just drug seekers. I believe that is a safeguard here. If Artem truly just wants the drugs for drugs sake, the doctor will see this and will deny him the perscription.

If he does happen to be someone that actually needs the drugs for pain relief AND enjoys their psychoactive side effects, well the current system allows for that. Until equally effective, non psychoactive painkillers are found, this is just the way things are.

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
Artem,

As one of those “internet dads”, all i’m going to say is that my sister has back and hip issues that cause her pain every second of every day. The only thing that worked was Oxy and another drug that I don’t remember.

She took the prescribed dose at first, then, she was hooked after a short period of time. Well, she ran out of her prescription a week or 2 early and they wouldn’t fill her prescription… of course.

The next week was pure hell. She wanted to fucking die, because the withdraw was so bad and she just wanted relief. It took between a week or two to start feeling functional again. The doc has put her on Methadone, instead. (good stuff, also) The painkillers changed her body chemistry dramatically. She has zero energy, gains weight rapidly, moody as hell, and can’t focus worth a shit.

People are concerned, and that’s why many are reacting the way they are.

I feel sorry for your parents, to be honest.[/quote]

I feel the same way. Any responsible person will advise Artem against this. But some people just need to find out on their own, no amount or combination of words will change their mind. He’s dead set on doing it.

I do believe his pain is real and that no treatment so far has worked. Since oxy is legal, its the doctor’s responsibility to weed out people who are just drug seekers. I believe that is a safeguard here. If Artem truly just wants the drugs for drugs sake, the doctor will see this and will deny him the perscription.

If he does happen to be someone that actually needs the drugs for pain relief AND enjoys their psychoactive side effects, well the current system allows for that. Until equally effective, non psychoactive painkillers are found, this is just the way things are.

[/quote]
Third part of your post: two thumbs up
It kills my pain and I enjoy the effects while remaining completely functional. The fuck is the big deal?

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[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]
You were hooked on coke, I lost almost a month of memory and almost went to prison on benzos. But we’re both gravy now. And I don’t need to steal money to buy drugs. I can finance my drug habits just fine. Appreciate the concern, though. Withdrawals aren’t that fucking bad. You feel like shit for a week or two, then it’s over. Totally worth it for months of awesomeness.[/quote]

My aunt, who has been running the streets and taking drugs since the 70’s killed herself because she couldn’t handle these withdrawals. Maybe that will put it in perspective for you. This is something different, don’t play around man. There ain’t no awesomeness. There’s a 6 hour high, then more drugs, then another high…soon enough you’re out, then on your face in a puddle of vomit.

Man, only if you could come to Cleveland or trip to my hometown in Juarez and see the realness of this shit. I can’t even begin to explain this.

and if you can finance your habit, why even go to a doctor? can you drop 30 for a pill 4 or 5 times a day? everyday? and what happens in a drought and that price hits 55.60,75?